Joosep
Well-known
I cannot picture my life without meat, but I can picture mylife without salad.
I will never get this. Maybe people in 300 years will look back and think what a hillbilly I was, hah, let them I guess.
I will never get this. Maybe people in 300 years will look back and think what a hillbilly I was, hah, let them I guess.
noisycheese
Normal(ish) Human
In thinking about the views expressed in this thread, I realized that 99.9% of everything we humans do has a negative impact on the environment. That fact is inescapable.
It seems that for the maximum benefit to our planet and each life form that resides here, we must recognize that it is necessary for this line of thinking to be carried out to its logical conclusion. As such, it is incumbent upon every human being to remove himself or herself from the equation - and therefore from existence upon the planet. It is truly the only way to reduce the cumulative destructive effect that humanity causes to the Earth and every species which resides here.
I propose that those most committed to the welfare of animals and the preservation of the planet lead by example and remove themselves from the equation first. Seeing as how vegans apparently occupy the moral high ground regarding issues of animal welfare and preserving the planet, it is the duty of vegans to lead by example in this undertaking.
This is truly the only course of action for those who are truly committed to the welfare of animals and the preservation of the planet.
Agreed?
It seems that for the maximum benefit to our planet and each life form that resides here, we must recognize that it is necessary for this line of thinking to be carried out to its logical conclusion. As such, it is incumbent upon every human being to remove himself or herself from the equation - and therefore from existence upon the planet. It is truly the only way to reduce the cumulative destructive effect that humanity causes to the Earth and every species which resides here.
I propose that those most committed to the welfare of animals and the preservation of the planet lead by example and remove themselves from the equation first. Seeing as how vegans apparently occupy the moral high ground regarding issues of animal welfare and preserving the planet, it is the duty of vegans to lead by example in this undertaking.
This is truly the only course of action for those who are truly committed to the welfare of animals and the preservation of the planet.
Agreed?
charjohncarter
Veteran
I have a leather belt. Could you ask the vegan what I should do with it?
Rayt
Nonplayer Character
Buddhists do eat meat
I do agree with your premise that being concerned for the suffering of other beings is an admirable concern. However, that doesn't mean I can't make some fun at the expense of vegans.
To be honest, I don't understand vegans. I understand and respect vegetarians, but vegans.... Well, I don't understand why you can't use the remains of already dead animals but go to your job by car - the influence of automotive traffic on the habitat of animals is huge!
I actually attended a PETA conference and they belief animals should be afforded the same human rights as we do. So therefore if we do not eat humans after they die in an accident for example then we don't do that to other life forms.
Buddhist monks do eat meat especially in countries like Cambodia where they survive on alms and have no choice what they are given.
That said I have tremendous respect for people who make such sacrifices for others.
Shooting digital and printing on ink jet would be one solution.
Al Patterson
Ferroequinologist
So, pigs and cows should be allowed to get married and vote?
Yeah, right.
I have no respect for PETA types. Unless it means people eating tasty animals...
Rayt
Nonplayer Character
Since this thread will be deleted or heavily edited anyway I will make a snide remark and say they will likely vote Democrat if that ever happens. As far as marriage goes I got skewered and BBQ'd in the process myself.
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
Stares at leather boots, hangs head and leaves room!
charjohncarter
Veteran
Maybe we should bring back Nitrate base films, just to make the vegan's happy.
alfredian
Well-known
Recombinant collagen
Recombinant collagen
Fuji-Philips have a patent on a recombinant (transgenic) collagen for use in photographic products. Custom-tailored to the intended purpose - conduct light & hold chemicals - the stuff has the additional advantage of not dedpending on cattle/pork/poultry for the stuff.
Another technology perfected just in time for obsolescence. - alfredian
Recombinant collagen
Fuji-Philips have a patent on a recombinant (transgenic) collagen for use in photographic products. Custom-tailored to the intended purpose - conduct light & hold chemicals - the stuff has the additional advantage of not dedpending on cattle/pork/poultry for the stuff.
Another technology perfected just in time for obsolescence. - alfredian
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
I've messed around with some of that nitrate film and took a piece out into the yard one day and lit it to see just how volatile it actually is.
I was a little stunned I have to say!
Al Patterson
Ferroequinologist
Since this thread will be deleted or heavily edited anyway I will make a snide remark and say they will likely vote Democrat if that ever happens. As far as marriage goes I got skewered and BBQ'd in the process myself.
Was that pork or beef BBQ? Where I'm at now they think BBQ is pork in a mustard based sauce.
I'd kill for some beef brisket in ketchup based sauce right about now....
noisycheese
Normal(ish) Human
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone
I wonder how many vegans have these products http://leicatime.com/ or these products http://www.artisanandartist.com/ on their Leicas?
Regarding digital V. film photography in terms of environmental impact: Epson paper and inks are not without negative environmental impact in the manufacturing process. Neither are the computerized guts of digital cameras or sensors that these cameras are built around.
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone
I wonder how many vegans have these products http://leicatime.com/ or these products http://www.artisanandartist.com/ on their Leicas?
Regarding digital V. film photography in terms of environmental impact: Epson paper and inks are not without negative environmental impact in the manufacturing process. Neither are the computerized guts of digital cameras or sensors that these cameras are built around.
charjohncarter
Veteran
I've messed around with some of that nitrate film and took a piece out into the yard one day and lit it to see just how volatile it actually is.
I was a little stunned I have to say!
You had to light it?????
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
I've read that it will combust spontaneously but only under certain conditions ... it reminded me of lighting a strip of magnesium though obviously not as intense.
mgermana
Established
Every choice involves compromise.
I am a vegetarian who uses animal byproducts. On the one hand, I don't want to contribute to the suffering of sentient creatures caught up in and casualties of industrial farming practices. At the same time, if McDonald's is going to keep making Big Macs out of the innards of such creatures, I am content to use the byproducts, figuring (or deluding myself into believing) that demand for byproducts doesn't fuel industrial farming the way that, say, the fast food industry does.
Do I draw an arbitrary line? Certainly. Does this make me a hypocrite? I hope not.
This being said, there's no need for omnivores to slander vegans in order to make a similar point. The discussion was starting to de-evolve in to stock stereotypes of emaciated liberals with wagging fingers...
I am a vegetarian who uses animal byproducts. On the one hand, I don't want to contribute to the suffering of sentient creatures caught up in and casualties of industrial farming practices. At the same time, if McDonald's is going to keep making Big Macs out of the innards of such creatures, I am content to use the byproducts, figuring (or deluding myself into believing) that demand for byproducts doesn't fuel industrial farming the way that, say, the fast food industry does.
Do I draw an arbitrary line? Certainly. Does this make me a hypocrite? I hope not.
This being said, there's no need for omnivores to slander vegans in order to make a similar point. The discussion was starting to de-evolve in to stock stereotypes of emaciated liberals with wagging fingers...
Al Patterson
Ferroequinologist
I'm offended that you include me as a liberal...
Seriously, it is very difficult to check everything you eat or wear to ensure it meats some strict standard. So,
I don't even try. Too much work.
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
It's more the way animals are 'processed' these days that is offensive IMO. I'm not a vegan or a vegetarian but I definitely cringe when I see footage of the way slaughter houses work.
peterm1
Veteran
Its a by-product. One thing about the food chain is that our economy is efficient. There would be no point killing an animal to make film. Just not economical!
There is an old adage about how people use pigs:
They say that "They use everything except the oink"
Personally I have no qualms about killing animals for my food and for other products - leather etc that I need. As long as the killing is done humanely and with respect for the animal and the animal is also humanely treated during its life. What I do object to is arbitrary cruelty to animals either by putting them in stressful or harmful living conditions or by killing them in a manner that casues them distress or pain.
Which in many respects is why I find it preferable to hunt for meat than buying little sanitised packages of meat in the supermarket.. (Not that I hunt any more - I did as a youngster when I was growing up in a rural surrounding). I cannot complain when wild animal that is living a natural life is suddenly brought to it natural end by a bullet and without pain or suffering. What is more it makes many hunters much more connected with nature and they therefore respect the animal and its life which has brought them life through its death. At least I did as do many hunters to whom I speak.
There is an old adage about how people use pigs:
They say that "They use everything except the oink"
Personally I have no qualms about killing animals for my food and for other products - leather etc that I need. As long as the killing is done humanely and with respect for the animal and the animal is also humanely treated during its life. What I do object to is arbitrary cruelty to animals either by putting them in stressful or harmful living conditions or by killing them in a manner that casues them distress or pain.
Which in many respects is why I find it preferable to hunt for meat than buying little sanitised packages of meat in the supermarket.. (Not that I hunt any more - I did as a youngster when I was growing up in a rural surrounding). I cannot complain when wild animal that is living a natural life is suddenly brought to it natural end by a bullet and without pain or suffering. What is more it makes many hunters much more connected with nature and they therefore respect the animal and its life which has brought them life through its death. At least I did as do many hunters to whom I speak.
Al Patterson
Ferroequinologist
"Everything except the oink" is something I saw once on a package of Scrapple...
And scrapple is disgusting. Kind of like low rent Spam. My dad loved the stuff.
gb hill
Veteran
You moved too far south Al. I lived in Smyrna in the mid 80's & had to finally come back north. Here in Lexington we have the ketchup base but those toward the east like the vinegar base. I like both.