bigdave43
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Legacy lenses was my main reason for getting the A7R. The focus peaking and magnify functions make using manual lenses easy, unlike dSLRs. Since then I have discovered a bunch of other benefits.
A7 II or A7 + $400?
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Legacy lenses was my main reason for getting the A7R. The focus peaking and magnify functions make using manual lenses easy, unlike dSLRs. Since then I have discovered a bunch of other benefits.
Shac
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At my age IBIS is a benefit for almost any focal length MF lens😀
Huss
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IBIS is not useful for any of the items you mention. So it would seem that if you do not shoot that, it would be useful to you.
What IBIS does is allow you to use much lower shutter speeds (up to four stops lower) handheld than you would normally be able to, for any given lens.
So, say you have a 50mm lens, the normal rule of thumb is the reciprocal of the lens focal length is your slowest shutter speed before camera shake kicks in. In this case it would be 1/60 sec. IBIS can drop that speed down to 1/8 sec, handheld.
It has nothing to do with capturing/freezing a subject's motion.
Shots that before you would need a tripod for can now be taken hand held. The only reason I see to get an A7 is if you cannot afford the A7II.
YYV_146
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I can consistently get sharp shots with a 50mm lens on my A7 at 1/8, with the electronic front curtain on. 1/4 is a bit trickier, but taking 3-4 shots I can usually get one sharp frame.
IBIS is for people with shaky hands 😀 Also, there are plenty of reasons to stick with the A7. The A7 is lighter, thinner, and easier to buy accessories for.
goo0h
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I thought I read somewhere that the m2 has more bits of raw data.....
bigdave43
Newbie
Yes, it has 14bit processor like the A7R.
jloden
Established
There's a few reasons that tipped the balance for me to being interested in the A7II:
1) Bigger grip and improved front dial/shutter location, including a more ergonomic battery grip.
2) Additional function buttons
3) Improved weather sealing and sturdier mount (better sealing doesn't hurt, and I have noticed the wiggle with some lenses).
4) Faster AF
5) IBIS
I'm hoping the AF improvements are worthwhile in particular, since I use E-mount lenses for the wide and tele range.
For adapted rangefinder lenses I'm also interested in seeing if the performance is any better than the A7 (not expecting anything, but you never know).
Of course IBIS will be a nice bonus, but IMO it's not the most interesting feature. It only helps with static subjects and the Sony FE zooms are well stabilized already in any case. I'm happy to have it, but it's actually less exciting to me than better ergonomics and AF performance.
1) Bigger grip and improved front dial/shutter location, including a more ergonomic battery grip.
2) Additional function buttons
3) Improved weather sealing and sturdier mount (better sealing doesn't hurt, and I have noticed the wiggle with some lenses).
4) Faster AF
5) IBIS
I'm hoping the AF improvements are worthwhile in particular, since I use E-mount lenses for the wide and tele range.
For adapted rangefinder lenses I'm also interested in seeing if the performance is any better than the A7 (not expecting anything, but you never know).
Of course IBIS will be a nice bonus, but IMO it's not the most interesting feature. It only helps with static subjects and the Sony FE zooms are well stabilized already in any case. I'm happy to have it, but it's actually less exciting to me than better ergonomics and AF performance.
bwcolor
Veteran
All of your reasons make waiting for the January/February introduction of the Sony A9 all the more attractive. I suspect that we can add more phase detection points, yet faster autofocus, high mpix and probably at least as good high ISO. I would expect more battery capacity, 4K recording and probably dual memory slots. I would save the money and buy the A7, or wait.
goo0h
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yeah, and I bet the "a9" will be significantly more expensive. 😉
goo0h
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http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/news...a7ii-5-axis-doesnt-work-with-all-sony-lenses/
apparently the image stabilization is also used to clean dust off of the sensor.
apparently the image stabilization is also used to clean dust off of the sensor.
goo0h
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I wonder if the body design alters in any way the ease of accidentally changing the ISO. That happened to me more than once the brief time I tried out the cameras, and must admit found that to be a bit annoying. Probably could have gotten use to it, though.
Godfrey
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uhoh7
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Really? I found the R to be the worst of them all. First camera I actually sent back.
Mephiloco
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I'd put money on an A9 not having 4k recording, dual memory slots, or the high iso. Maybe higher ISO, but not on the level of the A7S.
In my opinion I think Sony has done a good thing with their current fragmentation of the A7. The A7 could be considered almost an 'enthusiast' full frame or 'entry level' full frame. $1200 for a full frame with the features it has is pretty great. Need more mpixels? Get the R. Need a really amazing camera? Get the S.
Personally I think the high iso capabilities of the A7S are more impressive than the IS on the A7 II. I love being able to use my Elmar-C, my Elmar, my slow CV lenses, etc at night. There's no reason to own fast lenses for me anymore except for my film Leicas, which I never use now that I got the A7S.
Huss
Veteran
yes they fixed that. need to push in the iso button first, then rotate the dial.
jsrockit
Moderator
Worse in what way? Each A7 has its advantages and you choose the one that fits what you want to do.
shadowfox
Darkroom printing lives
It seems that you won the bet !! 🙂
http://www.43rumors.com/sony-a7ii-5...nveils-it-has-nothing-in-common-with-olympus/
Addy101
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Thank you sir, I will celebrate my with my winnings 😉
Interesting article btw.
Interesting article btw.
goo0h
Well-known
renting the a7m2 now, after earlier this year renting all the others (but not at same time.) must say the apparent build quality and finish makes it feel much more like a real camera, and not a prototype.
Dirk
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Yes, absolutely, if you're shooting alt lenses. IBIS alone would be worth it. If you're shooting Sony lenses with in-lens stabilization, it's more debatable.
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