Adobe Caves In

The $10/month rate is advertised as the regular rate for those subscribing before the deadline. This rate may go up with time but it is distinguished from a special rate for just the first year, as is the case with academic subscriptions for CC. The special rate for students and educators is for the first year only.

Tom

The one time purchase fees for students and educators are forever. This is different from the monthly fees being discussed here.
 
Raid,

I haven't checked with my university. Are there one-time purchases of CC available for students and faculty like there are (were?) for CS6? I was referring to a monthly fee plan for students and faculty. The monthly fee for CC is described as being a special rate for one year only.

Tom
 
I just switched to a PC environment vs my Mac Pro/Aperture/PS3. I only use PS3 for resizing scanned Tiffs. I suspect that I could find a stand alone batch processor to perform this function, so the only reason that I would go CC is if Adobe only supplies camera raw updates to the current version of Lightroom. Can outdated L.R. versions receive camera raw updates?
 
Can outdated L.R. versions receive camera raw updates?

No. Indeed, the import facility is built right into LR, so it always means a complete LR update to do the equivalent of a CR update.

Adobe however have a free RAW-to-DNG converter that is updated along with LR/CR, which can be used to import raw files from new cameras into old, unsupported software - as long as the latter is not that old that it does not even know DNG, that is.
 
the question to the end user is, how often do YOU "need" these upgrades?

Perfectly valid question. Photoshop is a pretty mature product, and Lightroom is quickly getting there too. I'm on Lightroom 3, and the things Adobe add to their Lightroom updates mostly fall into the category of fluff for me. I would hate to be locked into a monthly payment cycle where I actually had to pay for this fluff. Adobe may not care for my euro, but at least they only get it when I feel they've warranted it.
 
I don't understand this answer.

In Photoshop, the raw importer "Camera Raw" is a module/plugin, and updates to support new cameras are offered as separate downloads of the latter. In Lightroom, there is no similar add-on, new camera support requires a update of the main software itself - whenever Adobe releases a new (minor) version of CR, a new (minor) version of LR does follow within weeks, to update it to the same cameras.
 
Thanks.... I' m now on a LR5 trial. I will probably purchase a FF Sony or Fuji in the next two years. Given that I'll probably need to update to LR6 , then C.C. will be minimally more expensive over that time period.
 
Raid,

I haven't checked with my university. Are there one-time purchases of CC available for students and faculty like there are (were?) for CS6? I was referring to a monthly fee plan for students and faculty. The monthly fee for CC is described as being a special rate for one year only.

Tom

Hi Tom,

All I know is that my university has a set number of licenses for the professional version of Adobe Acrobat. It seems that they started adding CS5 to that package. The package costs less than $100 as a purchase if done by an educator or student. It is not an annual fee. If you buy CS6 by itself (as an educator), it is about $350.
 
Adobe's problem:

Adobe's software is Professional-grade software. Always has been. But now that everyone is a "professional" and no one wants to pay for anything, Adobe is in a bind.

I see so many people complaining since CC was introduced that it's too expensive, that the updates aren't worth it etc. These are hobbyists. If you run a business like I do CC is great and I still believe that Adobe's products represent great value. Adobe has added a lot of great features to InDesign and Illustrator in the past couple iterations – stuff I find so useful to my workflow.

Photoshop is for professionals, Elements is for hobbyists. Stop complaining because you don't want to pay for something.
 
Adobe's problem:

Adobe's software is Professional-grade software. Always has been. But now that everyone is a "professional" and no one wants to pay for anything, Adobe is in a bind.

I see so many people complaining since CC was introduced that it's too expensive, that the updates aren't worth it etc. These are hobbyists. If you run a business like I do CC is great and I still believe that Adobe's products represent great value. Adobe has added a lot of great features to InDesign and Illustrator in the past couple iterations – stuff I find so useful to my workflow.

This. I love the new Typekit integration for CC, it's such a good deal and very convenient if you work between two computers.
 
I'm one of those who ranted initially. I think this new offer is a fair price. I've bought an upgrade approximately every two years (if only I could discipline myself to buy a new camera every two years🙂 I think their throwing Lightroom into the mix is good. I do use PS for practically every photo I work on. I'm very comfortable within PS. Definitely considering it. Mostly for the raw updates, and the freedom from worrying about incompatibilities with future Mac OS changes.
 
Just a reminder -- amateurs can do beautiful work without Photoshop.

well they might be able to but I can't do anything without it.

let me point out how many scans around here have incorrectly set white and black points. I can't exactly fix that in Picasa, or if I can it's not directly.

look, someone recently posted about AWB in the M240 complaining his skin tones were too pink. that's about 45 seconds worth of adjustment in PS' lab color mode. Ive never sold a photo in my life but I do consider that sort of control to be pretty cirtical to what I do.
 
Photoshop is for professionals, Elements is for hobbyists. Stop complaining because you don't want to pay for something.

Then all of us hobbyists should probably stop wasting our money on a "professional" product that we don't need and can't possibly use. Of course, when the price to the remaining "professional" users quadruples as a result of the loss of the subsidy by hobbyists, I'm sure you won't complain . . . because of course, you're a professional.
 
Adobe's problem:

Adobe's software is Professional-grade software. Always has been. But now that everyone is a "professional" and no one wants to pay for anything, Adobe is in a bind.

No I am not a professional but I have payed for every version of Photoshop since PS-1 on 3.5" disks. Adobe is in the bind because all those non-professionals who have paid professional prices for their software do not want a monthly nut to pay.

I am not signing up for it even if they lower it to $5 / month.
Pete
 
At about $10.00 a month, it is fair (at least to me). About the same cost factor of Upgrades that go on forever.

Before this (Cloud) came out, I did some surveys for Adobe, and when asked, this was my price point, as I'm sure it was for others.

When I see that price, I'm in.

Adobe gotta' Eat Too
 
I probably don't take this as seriously as you do, because I have never printed my own work.

Honestly I am still not sure I like Photoshop. But I continue to work with it. 😀

you should consider having some scans printed professionally.

I've got some sweet 11x14s and only PS or something very close makes what I do possible digitally
 
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