Bill Clark
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brbo
Well-known
Looks (and release statement reads) like a "preflashed" Agfa Aviphot 80 (Rollei Retro 80s,...).
EliasK
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Maybe I 'm wrong but this looks like another surplus surveillance film stock, which will disappear when all is sold.
This kind of films cut sales from the alive "real" film manufacturers, without offering any significant advantage.
If we keep loosing iconic films (remember apx100-400 or acros...) because they are not profitable any more, I am afraid HR-50 will not be there to save us...
This kind of films cut sales from the alive "real" film manufacturers, without offering any significant advantage.
If we keep loosing iconic films (remember apx100-400 or acros...) because they are not profitable any more, I am afraid HR-50 will not be there to save us...
Ted Striker
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Agreed. Non sustainable films really do not help anyone. It's really just some company working off overstock for profit, rather than disposing of it.
brbo
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"Iconic" films weren't lost because of "exotic" films.
EliasK
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Of course not, they were lost because of digital and significant sales drop.
But those surviving today are at a critical point and every roll sold counts.
But those surviving today are at a critical point and every roll sold counts.
Skiff
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Which is just speculation. There is so far no evidence that this technique is used on industrial scale in this case. Maybe it is, maybe not. For photographers is only important whether this film works.
To the facts:
This film was offered at the Adox booth at Photokina. I've bought it, and already tested it:
This film is definitely not fully identical to Aviphot Pan 80 (Retro 80S). The new Adox has higher real sensivity and better shadow detail. The difference is significant and visible.
So with this film we get more variety and better quality on the market. Which is good in my opinion.
Skiff
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You are wrong on this: Adox has been very clear about it: This film is from fresh production (coating) this summer!
It is not at all from leftover warehouse stock.
I agree with you that selling old expired film from leftover stock (often even at ripp-off prices, like 'Street Pan') is hurting the market and current production of real manufacturers.
But that is not the case with this new Adox film. And Adox is currently building a new, modern and sustainable film, paper and photo chemistry factory. By buying this film these efforts are supported.
bmattock
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Do you have a cite for this? I'm curious, because that is not what I see on the Adox company website. In fact, they seem be very cleverly choosing their words to *avoid* saying whether it is new or old stock.
http://www.adox.de/Photo/adox-hr-50-en/
Now, honestly I am good with either answer, I'm just curious as to whether this is repurposed film from stock that has been 'confectioned' and 'enhanced', or actual new film specially made for a purpose.
Ko.Fe.
Lenses 35/21 Gears 46/20
"ADOX says HR-50 is particularly well-suited for street and landscape photography".
This summer I used Kodak 50D for street photography. I used it yesterday. These days 50 ISO is street landscape film, not street and landscape.
This summer I used Kodak 50D for street photography. I used it yesterday. These days 50 ISO is street landscape film, not street and landscape.
Ted Striker
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Skiff
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First it was a reply by Adox to a question of a customer. It was on one of their facebook pages, if I remember right.
Nevertheless I've asked them at Photokina, and they confirmed very clearly that it is fresh film. The original stock they use for their "Speed-Boost" technology is film from current production. Not from a discontinued film.
bmattock
Veteran
That's good to know, and thank you.
sepiareverb
genius and moron
And this is certainly a way to help support ADOX, a company which is investing in a new factory to produce film and paper on a smaller scale. While it may be going slowly, it is a sizable commitment to analog materials.
Pioneer
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Where did you get your information Skip? I have done a search and find none of this.
Since you are wrong on Street Pan I suspect you are probably wrong about this new Adox film as well. I have read the company information and it does not say any of the things you are saying.
Until you cite your sources on both issues, Streetpan as well as Adox, this just smacks of more internet rumor. And referring to another unsubstantiated internet forum thread or hearsay from some private conversation doesn't actually count as verifiable evidence.
Of course none of this actually means that any of these films are currently, or will in the future, cause the demise of any of the big players like Kodak, Ilford or Fuji. It really is a moot point. Just more internet rumor to keep everyone excited.
Skiff
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See my post above, I've told it concerning Adox
I am not. You are.
1. Street Pan is "Made in Belgium". The only film manufacturer ever in Belgium has been Agfa (former Gevaert, then from 1964 on Agfa-Gevart, in the last years only under Agfa name).
And the only ISO 400 film produced by Agfa in Belgium was the ASP 400S / Aviphot Pan 400.
And this film was discontinued many years ago. Last coating was more than 10 years ago.
Just look at the Agfa film programme: You will not find any 400 speed film. And that has been the case for many years now.
http://www.agfa.com/specialty-products/solutions/aerial-photography/aviphot/
2. I have - as lots of others - used the Agfa ASP 400s / Aviphot Pan 400 back in the day when it was in production (the film was also sold under different labels in the past).
And I have compared the results to Street Pan. Identical films.
I've talked to several other photographers who have done the same: They have got the same results.
Developer manufacturers like Spur have also done these tests - same results.
I have done both a proper research and tests. In contrast to you.