Advice on Artistic Nudes

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Stephanie Brim said:
Guys. The entire point of this thread is to actually give me real advice. Please keep the fatherly advice out of it and in a PM. Thanks.

Also, bobofish, your sentiments are appreciated. But I *do* know what I'm doing and I *do* know why people eat organic food. So no more posts delving into why you think I shouldn't be doing this, okay? Made my decision and everything is now peachy keen. If I keep getting responses like that one I'll just not post the finished product here.

I believe that self-discovery is an essential part of being a photgrapher. Harsh lectures can always benefit from tact, which makes them easier to work with. Sometimes lectures reveal a desire by the lecturer for enlargement in smaller areas. But only the lecturer can be honest about that.

Critical analysis of published nude fine-art works is always a great idea, but in the end, I think, it is what the individual derives from the process of self-discovery that matters. And you never know who, surprisingly, will like your self-nudes.

Self-nudes involve honesty, being able to look at, accept, and love our bumbs, stains, love-handles, sizes, curves and wrinkles without comparing our bodies to Giselle or the hunks from Chippendales. Whether or not one trys to sell or publish them, every photographer should do a nude self-study at least once. Not for the sake of narcissism, but for the sake of accepting, liking, and loving one's self. Or for whatever reasons you have.

Just set up your camera, use a table stand or something to focus on, then put a piece of tape on the floor (or bed) to mark where your focus begins, use an ambient hand-held meter to check your "exposure", ha ha, set the timer on your camera and go for it. Use a 400 speed film. On your next shoot, switch to ASA 125 for better grain. Process film, choose what you like. Then experiment more with shallow focus, etc. Work to convey not only a straight image, but perhaps something that resembles how you feel about yourself or about simply being in the buff. This could include postures of varying types. I think the point in nude self-photography is capturing and conveying you as you are, not as you think you are. Do the photos for yourself first, then maybe the world. Because the world may not care at all.....but you will.

if you're just doing this to create art (without the self-discovery approach) then just focus on creating something you like. Then compare your works with the "masters".

Anonymous nudes (meaning, most or all of the face is not visible) can sell well, I think, because the focus is less on the personal identity of the sbuject as opposed to the beauty (or whatever) of the human form. But this argument goes back and forth depending on personal taste. One photographer did a "Naked New York" that was fascinating. After looking at that, I no longer cared about Bally's!

Nudes seem to be a tricky subject in that "What has not been done already?" Again, creativity is in the eye of the photographer..and beholder to some extent. But as the photos will be of you, there's nothing and no one else to compare to, unless you want to compare print quality, BW tonality (or color), and the use of tones or color to help convey the subject (you).

And when you publish, I'd like a signed copy 🙂

Chris
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You need a way of seeing what your camera is seeing, obvious. I've done a great deal of 35mm motion picture work and one of the things I've used is video assist to let the clients see what I am doing. The arriflex that I use has a cideo tap or beam splitter in the VF path. A mini video camera is attached to this and connected to a monitor. I hacen't done this but I've thought about it for some time. There are very tiny video cameras availavle for surveillance use and they are about the size of a quarter and run on a 9v battery. There are low res B&W to high res color wide angle units available. You can even get some that transmit a TV signal on channel 3 and you can pick it up on your tv. My thought is to get a cheap B&W one and attach it to the eyepiece of the camera with tape. It weighs less than an ounce. Connect it to the tv and pre focus where you will b. Use a remote bulb or elong relaeas and now you can see something that will let you know what you are doing. A poor mans (womans) video assist. I have planned on doing this so that I can position items under my camera when it twelve feet up on my studio stand. Beats the hell out of climbing a ladder fifty times a day. I think these little cameras are under a hundred bucks. You can probably find them for less than fifty if you research them.

If you cant get one of these borrow a video camera with a viewing screen that will rotate forward. Set it up over your camera on a tripod and set the zoom to roughly the field of the lens you have on the still camera. Now you can see yourself.


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Bobofish . . . . yikes. I would agree that nude portraiture is a delicate thing, and maintaining its romance and artistry requires a pretty intense balancing act, or more accurately, that one walks a very fine line with pretty nasty repercussions if one were to fall in the wrong direction, even slightly. And by "wrong" I don't mean what you might think, but simply that the work isn't what you intended, and the viewer's perceptions are totally uncontrollable.

But, nude photography, if done properly (a great fuzziness there, but there IS a wrong way to do it), can be really quite beautiful. Or shocking, or whatever you want it to be. One thing is that people tend to have a heightened sensitivity to the rest of the picture - in my experience - when the subject is nude. That nudity adds an edge to otherwise inanimate facets of the scene. Got to learn how to put the thing together.

Personally, I like to look at Sante D'Orozio's work, and this guy Bruno Bisang. Gorgeous work, at times borderline, but well done. Look up Bruno's work.
 
This, and the previous related thread, have included some of the most heart-felt and thought-provoking posts that I have read to date on RFF. I thank Stephanie for getting this ball rolling, and the many posters, both positive and negative, for their thoughts! My own opinion has bounced back and forth on this issue and your posts have prompted me to examine areas previously unexamined. I'm not sure what I've learned, but I do know I've grown from reading these threads.
 
Personally, I think we should make Joe do some nude shots in penance for the camera we all bought him. The only problem is I think it might be more of a punishment for us than him...(I don't think I have seen him clothed, let alone nekkid)

Just kidding Joe 😀 Please don't ban me.
 
One of the things I'm going to do is re-examine why I want to do this. I know I want to do it for the art's sake, but there are other reasons as well. Losing the 20 pounds I lost has given me a new appreciation for my body that I didn't really have before. *I* actually think I'm sexy now whereas I didn't really think so before. The perfect time to do something like this is now: I'm finally proud of both my body and my mind. 🙂

One other thing I thought about doing is documenting the actual process of doing this with a photo essay. What do people think of that idea? It would give everyone a chance to see how I worked out the problems with doing something like this.
 
After reading all the posts Stephanie, I'm thinking now that you should do this if you want, and document the process if you want. Once you see the results, decide then if you want to share it or not. I've come to the conclusion personally, that one should go for the gusto and live life to the fullest. How public you want to go with that is another issue, but I think that, if it is in your heart, you should follow that call. After you've done it, then decide what to do with it. These are 2 separate issues/questions. "Yes, of course, in a heart-beat" to should you. "Maybe" to should you share it.

My considered 2 cents.
 
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Stephanie Brim said:
One other thing I thought about doing is documenting the actual process of doing this with a photo essay. What do people think of that idea? It would give everyone a chance to see how I worked out the problems with doing something like this.

I like this idea. A lot.

William
 
Stephanie Brim said:
One other thing I thought about doing is documenting the actual process of doing this with a photo essay. What do people think of that idea?
Good idea. You could even publish it as a book (check out
Lulu ). You might be able to make a dollar or few from the project that way.

Peter
 
Stephanie Brim said:
One of the things I'm going to do is re-examine why I want to do this. I know I want to do it for the art's sake, but there are other reasons as well. Losing the 20 pounds I lost has given me a new appreciation for my body that I didn't really have before. *I* actually think I'm sexy now whereas I didn't really think so before. The perfect time to do something like this is now: I'm finally proud of both my body and my mind. 🙂

One other thing I thought about doing is documenting the actual process of doing this with a photo essay. What do people think of that idea? It would give everyone a chance to see how I worked out the problems with doing something like this.

Stephanie,

If you think you're doing this because your boyfriend doesn't give you the right kind of attention, then you're doing it for the wrong reasons. I'm referring to this entry in your blog.

If the boyfriend is not the reason, great! Experiment! Learn! Let us know how you felt about the process. I think you have enough film, equipment, advice and guts to do it. 😉

R.J.
 
I'm not doing this becauseo of my boyfriend. I'm not doing it for anyone except myself.

Bringing my blog entries into this, which tend to be me spouting off because I'm either angry or excited, is kind of stupid, really. Everyone has problems with their boyfriend/girlfriend/husband/wife. They don't go off and do nude photos of themselves because of it. After the fact that I've said I've been wanting to do this for two years (which was before I even *got* the boyfriend, by the way) and I've also said that I've decided that I *am* going to do it, why are people still trying to find reasons other than *me* wanting to do it?

I can understand the concern, but you don't have to be. I know it looked like there may be cause for it, but there isn't.
 
Shooting the human body and making it look attractive and not lewd is extremly difficult. I tried it, got one photo i thought worth keeping. I was shooting a model, and found it took a tedious effort to try and achieve a look i was satisfied with i can't imagine trying to do it as a self image. You can check my gallery, the photo is called Sahara Delight.
 
Stephanie, I am new here but hope you won't mind some free advice from an old guy with good intentions 🙂. I think that your idea is great - it's yours and that's what want. The only thing that I would suggest is to perhaps consider publishing your nude work under a nom de plume and not here, at least not at first. I say this because I've seen what can happen amongst the best group of friends once the clothes come off, for whatever reason. Just a gut feeling I have that maybe this would somehow affect the apparently great online relationships that you've developed here. Just a thought.
 
akptc said:
Stephanie, I am new here but hope you won't mind some free advice from an old guy with good intentions 🙂. I think that your idea is great - it's yours and that's what want. The only thing that I would suggest is to perhaps consider publishing your nude work under a nom de plume and not here, at least not at first. I say this because I've seen what can happen amongst the best group of friends once the clothes come off, for whatever reason. Just a gut feeling I have that maybe this would somehow affect the apparently great online relationships that you've developed here. Just a thought.


Stephanie : Absolutely true, what AKPTC said. It would not be a good idea to post it here. For all those reasons. You can see my work on my website, and I had done similar sorts of shoots for models looking for very specialized portfolio material - and that material is very sensitive - I would never post it on a family-oriented site, regardless of its classification as fine art - or anywhere, else, actually because of the really complicated legal issues involved. For you, assuming you are 18 years of age or older, it isn't so much the law as the health of RFF that stands to suffer if things go sour. It would be best to put it on your website, if you intend to publish it at all. That site is accessible by any interested viewer, and that is just the best way to protect the RFF.
 
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Stephanie Brim said:
I'm not doing this becauseo of my boyfriend. I'm not doing it for anyone except myself.

That is the best reason for art. And the best audience is yourself. And it should always be about the artist when it comes to fine art. You do it for yourself, through yourself, and all that. Which is another reason to protect it by keeping it close to yourself. It sounds like your interest is mostly introspection, so if you keep with that theme and keep it on the low down, don't post it here (but instead on your site - which I have seen) - all will be well.
 
'Bringing my blog entries into this, which tend to be me spouting off because I'm either angry or excited, is kind of stupid, really.'

not fair stephanie.

you have invited the world into your life by having an online journal in the first place.
and then you come here and ask about posing nude, you tell us (a mostly old bunch of guys) that you are 22, lost weight and feel sexy and you're thinking of selling the prints after you just might publish them here.

the expected outcome (if you think about it) would have to include...*some not so noble thoughts, *some i am the knight on white steed, gotta save the girl kinda thoughts and everything in between.

i am closing this thread as you have lots of info for your project now.
follow through or not, it's all up to you now.

joe
 
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