Agfa Films Again?

[colinh]

* CMS 20 is a different film than Gigabit, SPUR, or whatnot. It's the same kind of stuff (monodispersed microfilm-type emulsion), but not the same thing

I never mentioned Gigabit.

The technical data for ADOX CMS 20 and SPUR Orthopan UR are *identical* (as in large sections copied verbatim) as are the instructions for development.

Compare the datasheets:


http://www.spur-photo.com

http://www.adox.de/ADOX_Filme/ADOX_CMS_Filme/ADOX_CMS_Filme.html


So, unless someone can definitively state anything to the contrary like "X is made in factory Y by company Z and the other one isn't" I will continue to maintain that the films are identical and further that they are made by Agfa Gevaert NV in Belgium, possibly in Mortsel.

🙂

http://www.agfa.com

I suppose one could always ask the companies - but I'm not actually that interested. 🙂 I just thought it was curious that Agfa still exist and make (micro)film. AgfaPhoto GmbH is dead, but it was just a buisness unit that was split off before.

colin

 

[Trius]

The APX films are reincarnated in the Rollei Retro (APX 100) and the Arista II films. Am I wrong? I think the Arista II are APX 100-400.

"Reincarneted" is not the same as "re-labelled". What Bill is (rightly) saying, is that Agfa Photo is no longer making APX or Vista, etc., films. And no one is making the exact same emulsions, and anyone who attempts to duplicate them will have hard time unless they are using exactly the same equipment and methods, etc.

 

[sepiareverb]

Doesn't seem anything like the old Agfa to me.

http://www.agfaphoto.com/

Not a red diamond, a red dot, like a pimple.

 

[bmattock]

The factory was disassembled and the parts carted away to South Korea to make plastic films (not photographic films) and the plant torn down.

Still, people believe Agfa is manufacturing film again.

I will not argue with them any more. Believe anything you wish.

 

[ARCHIVIST]

Well I certainly got a response to my thread!!!

After all I've read here my question has been answered.
This is how I now see things...............
Fact: Agfa is gone - equipment sold, buildings demolished or in re-use, old stock being sold and not too sure when or by who ( if ever ) Agfa wil be manufactured ( not produced ) again.
I agree with bmattock, we will just have to wait and see.

Regards
Peter

 

[sepiareverb]

Perhaps if we buy the formulas for Ilford they might have an interst? They have the know-how and the machinery, and neither APX25 or APX100 (a surprising following this one has- I've never had much success with it) duplicates an Ilford product. Ultra 100, the Optimas and the RSXes might not be a good fit, but we could hope.

 

[Trius]

Sepia: RSX interests me, though the previous chrome incarnation (CT-18) was even more interesting ...

The "forumula" for APX 100 is pretty simple, given you have "my" water for mixing:

Expose @ box speed
Rodinal 1:100
Temp = 20C
Time = 20 min
Agitation: First 30 seconds, 5 gentle inversions every three minutes thereafter

I grant that different contrast conditions might dictate modifications to either dilution and/or agitation, but this is a pretty good general regimen which generates good shadow detail and long tonal scale.

 

[sepiareverb]

Never did run it in Rodinal- developer does make the difference with every film.

I never tried the CT-18 that I recall, tho there probably is a roll of it somewhere back there, as long as it wasn't discontinued before 1982. I really like the color of RSX 50 and 200- they are quite closely matched. Something like Provia 400 before the 'F' was added. Wonderful rendering of greens. I especially like this for photographing people in the summer woods- really makes the most of that light.

 

[venchka]

Rollei Retro 100-120 or not Rollei Retro 100-120

Rollei Retro 100-120 or not Rollei Retro 100-120

* Currently, you can buy Rollei Retro 100 and 400, which are leftovers of APX 100 and 400. However, it seems that the 120 is cut from the master rolls on 35mm base, hence the grayishness, and slight curl.

I was so close to buying a box or two of the Rollei Retro 100-120. However, the statement above stopped me in my tracks. Are the problems mentioned above fatal flaws? Annoying? Picture destroying? Minor inconvenience? Hardly noticeable? Should I go on an buy the film and love it?

An enquiring mind wants to know.