AI Cameras

bulevardi said:
Oh lord... (I guess there's already a topic for this but... )

Haven't read all about the details, but where's the world going to...
I notice it has a Leica lens.

Even my phone already has built-in AI-tools for the camera. Now they made a camera to use together with your phone... eh...

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The Controversial Camera with Built-in Generative AI Blew Past Its Crowdfunding Goal

The Caira camera, the rebrand of the camera formerly known as Alice, has blown past its Kickstarter funding goal in its first day.
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Caira Is an 'AI-Native' Micro Four Thirds Camera With Google's 'Nano Banana' Generative AI Built-In

This new Micro Four Thirds camera from the makers of Alice is all-in on generative AI.
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No. Just a firm "No" to this.




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Alpsman said:
Personally, I think it's best for myself, not to even try such devices.
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I'm just wondering... you can render such images on your computer at home, text to image.
Why then would you ever need another device ..., as if you're actually go out there pretending you're taking a picture and then let AI do some stuff with it... while you can do so at home behind your desk... ;-)

I'm amazed by the entousiasm in this thread 🙂 🙂
 
bulevardi said:
I'm just wondering... you can render such images on your computer at home, text to image.
Why then would you ever need another device ..., as if you're actually go out there pretending you're taking a picture and then let AI do some stuff with it... while you can do so at home behind your desk... ;-)

I'm amazed by the entousiasm in this thread 🙂 🙂
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Speaking for myself: I'd just like to try out what the device can do.

Speaking for others: It saves the time, effort, work, and knowledge of how to improve the image at home on the screen, and allows you to send the image immediately.
 
If you simply want access to Nano Banana, you don't need Caira's hardware or app. Either way, there's a monthly subscription fee to use the service, because the magic isn't happening on these mobile devices, but rather, on a Google server.
 
Mos6502 said:
I don't think people are reacting strongly enough to the fact that the tech companies want to condition us to not think, not problem solve, so we have to pay them to do it for us.
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This. Precisely this.

The more simple something is made for you, the less you know how to do it, and the more reliant you are on others - and subject to their whims. For instance, I read a study recently talking about how the over-use of GPS navigation has absolutely ruined people's natural ability to navigate. And people like Zuckerberg and Musk could not shape/dictate public opinion so easily - never mind be so damned rich - if people knew how to build their own websites and control their own spaces on the internet.

In a slightly more on-topic tangent, you could make an argument that the rise of GenAI "imaging" gutting/replacing the demand for photography and photographers is the end of a long line of oversimplification that can be traced right back to the original Brownie; Kodak's "just push the button and we do the rest" mentality led photography through a long cascade of technologies that were ever-simpler (and often progressively worse, quality-wise) for the end user until the rot absolutely destroyed their market... and now GenAI is here to take one final piss on its carcass.

Yay.
 
Coldkennels said:
This. Precisely this.

The more simple something is made for you, the less you know how to do it, and the more reliant you are on others - and subject to their whims. For instance, I read a study recently talking about how the over-use of GPS navigation has absolutely ruined people's natural ability to navigate. And people like Zuckerberg and Musk could not shape/dictate public opinion so easily - never mind be so damned rich - if people knew how to build their own websites and control their own spaces on the internet.

In a slightly more on-topic tangent, you could make an argument that the rise of GenAI "imaging" gutting/replacing the demand for photography and photographers is the end of a long line of oversimplification that can be traced right back to the original Brownie; Kodak's "just push the button and we do the rest" mentality led photography through a long cascade of technologies that were ever-simpler (and often progressively worse, quality-wise) for the end user until the rot absolutely destroyed their market... and now GenAI is here to take one final piss on its carcass.

Yay.
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I generally agree. On the flip side, I think we've transitioned much more to a society of information workers than we were in the early (more complicated) days of photography. I wouldn't call easy photography (auto exposure, AF, etc.) a symptom of mental and societal corruption, since photography is for most a hobby - but I'd definitely point to the AI-ification of people's basic workflows at their jobs as the poster child for it. When I hear people around me bragging about how they let ChatGPT or Copilot write all their business emails, I die inside a little.
 
Alpsman said:
Speaking for myself: I'd just like to try out what the device can do.

Speaking for others: It saves the time, effort, work, and knowledge of how to improve the image at home on the screen, and allows you to send the image immediately.
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Technology-wise, I like to try things out, as a curious being I am.
But it's doesn't mean it always gives me (as much) satisfaction.

I have some built-in AI-tools on my phone for photography too, but they don't always work as it should, or some are nice as a gadget for the first times to test, but not on the long run... First it's nice, but sooner or later the fun is gone, I'm not impressed anymore and I leave it like that.

Sometimes, you get more satisfaction if you take a step back.
To give an example, as I see you're from Austria,... I really love your country, for the mountains (and the food and people of course).
If you go for a whole day sweaty hiking in summer to reach the top of a mountain and reach a hut where you can drink a fresh schiwasser, that's so satisfying.
But if you use technology, and you take a cable car for 15 minutes to the top, you can enjoy the same view, but you don't have the same satisfaction you had after doing the physical efforts.
In both situations, you would take the same picture from there...
 
Coldkennels said:
...The more simple something is made for you, the less you know how to do it, and the more reliant you are on others - and subject to their whims. For instance, I read a study recently talking about how the over-use of GPS navigation has absolutely ruined people's natural ability to navigate.
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Read "The Shallows: What the Internet Is Doing to Our Brains" by Nicholas Carr

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Coldkennels said:
This. Precisely this.

The more simple something is made for you, the less you know how to do it, and the more reliant you are on others - and subject to their whims. For instance, I read a study recently talking about how the over-use of GPS navigation has absolutely ruined people's natural ability to navigate. And people like Zuckerberg and Musk could not shape/dictate public opinion so easily - never mind be so damned rich - if people knew how to build their own websites and control their own spaces on the internet.
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GPS has both improved and diminished my ability to navigate. Because I regularly drive to different locations for work, I just punch the location into Google Maps and drive. I also use the in-car navigation to show which direction I'm heading and what streets are nearby. This has lead to me having a much better sense of where I'm heading at any given time, east/west/northeast etc. On the other hand, I rely on GPS to actually get me there. If I'm not using GPS, I feel a bit twitchy.

It occurred to me many years ago that people with a good sense of direction know where streets and landmarks are in relation to their position and heading, and this is internally expressed in a kind of mental map. Real time GPS location shows me this information, which actually adds to and reinforces my mental maps, rather than replacing them.

Coldkennels said:
In a slightly more on-topic tangent, you could make an argument that the rise of GenAI "imaging" gutting/replacing the demand for photography and photographers is the end of a long line of oversimplification that can be traced right back to the original Brownie; Kodak's "just push the button and we do the rest" mentality led photography through a long cascade of technologies that were ever-simpler (and often progressively worse, quality-wise) for the end user until the rot absolutely destroyed their market... and now GenAI is here to take one final piss on its carcass.
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That's the march of technology in general. Something is created to make things easier or 'better', and we encounter the effects of it for better or worse. Add commercialism to the mix and we get giant tech, industrial and power companies shaping society.
 
Corey Doctorow says it better than what I would always say (that every generation has just gotten stupider than the previous one) with his new book that explains how the new technology gurus have taken over by promising one thing and then locking you in while they totally change it original purpose so they can monetize the service by flooding the field with advertising, all the while capturing the advertisers themselves into thinking they can't break away from the setup.
www.bing.com

corey doctorow enshittification - Bing

Intelligent search from Bing makes it easier to quickly find what you’re looking for and rewards you.
www.bing.com www.bing.com

PF

Note to self: Get rid of Bing!
 
bulevardi said:
Technology-wise, I like to try things out, as a curious being I am.
But it's doesn't mean it always gives me (as much) satisfaction.

I have some built-in AI-tools on my phone for photography too, but they don't always work as it should, or some are nice as a gadget for the first times to test, but not on the long run... First it's nice, but sooner or later the fun is gone, I'm not impressed anymore and I leave it like that.

Sometimes, you get more satisfaction if you take a step back.
To give an example, as I see you're from Austria,... I really love your country, for the mountains (and the food and people of course).
If you go for a whole day sweaty hiking in summer to reach the top of a mountain and reach a hut where you can drink a fresh schiwasser, that's so satisfying.
But if you use technology, and you take a cable car for 15 minutes to the top, you can enjoy the same view, but you don't have the same satisfaction you had after doing the physical efforts.
In both situations, you would take the same picture from there...
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My girlfriend always admired the fact that I do or try certain things just because I wanted to know what would happen or how they worked. Whether it makes sense or not, just to gain experience. Afterward, I felt relieved, a little wiser, and it was over.

Yes, I live here in the countryside, surrounded by hills and forests. I wouldn't emigrate just because of our good food. Every vacation abroad confirms this for me. And every time, I'm happy to come home and enjoy good food again. But it's also always another enriching experience.

The term "Schiwasser" is only known to very few Austrians these days 🙂

The difference between taking a cable car to a summit and hiking lies in the experience. Yes, we both have the same photo.

When I take a cable car to a crowded viewpoint, I'm usually surrounded by a noisy crowd. When I hike through the forest, I'm surrounded by - silence. I see animals that most people only know from books or movies. I see much more than just the one view from the marked lookout point.

But as I said, everyone has to decide that for themselves.
 
farlymac said:
Corey Doctorow says it better than what I would always say (that every generation has just gotten stupider than the previous one) with his new book that explains how the new technology gurus have taken over by promising one thing and then locking you in while they totally change it original purpose so they can monetize the service by flooding the field with advertising, all the while capturing the advertisers themselves into thinking they can't break away from the setup.
www.bing.com

corey doctorow enshittification - Bing

Intelligent search from Bing makes it easier to quickly find what you’re looking for and rewards you.
www.bing.com www.bing.com

PF

Note to self: Get rid of Bing!
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Never used Bing. At all.

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Godfrey said:
Never used Bing. At all.

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Yeah, well I recently switched to a new computer and haven't gotten everything set up the way I want it yet. Need to bring a lot of files over from the old machine too so I can work on them with the new Affinity software. I should have written down a list of things to do so I could check them off as I accomplished them. Eventually it will all come together, but between the doctors, the weather, and the holiday season I've been very busy with other stuff.

PF
 
I chanced upon some interesting moody B&W pictures on IG this morning. By the time I saw "About My Work", I was speechless...real pictures they are NOT, but AI generated.

What we need is true human intelligence, not more AI. I generally dislike heavy PP work to make an image look 'artistic', but this AI thingy makes me wanna replace the word dislike to the next level... still searching for that word.
 
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