M. Valdemar
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If you click on my links in posts #5 and #10, they show the restaurant, address, reviews, and discussion of Vietnamese sandwiches.
M. Valdemar
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Used first gen iPhones will be available in scads beginning July 11, dropping the price to near nothing. Even if you don't use it as a phone, it's a nice video iPod, and the fact it has a camera is just a bonus.
M. Valdemar
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lZr
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Now I have a dilemma - what should I get? IPhone or sandwich? Or both?
First gen iPhone prices will not go down quickly. They might go up. 2nd gen iPhones might be almost impossible to unlock, they require physical activation at store. 1st gen are easily unlocked.
Yep, activating at home allowed the export market to prosper.
The vast majority of phones were never unlocked, so there should be plenty of used ones available when people upgrade to 3G.
M. Valdemar
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An old man, Eli Mandelbaum, checks into a fancy hotel.Now I have a dilemma - what should I get? IPhone or sandwich? Or both?
He calls room service.
"Is it true you can send me ANYTHING I want?"
"Yessir. Anything you want.", says room service.
"OK. Please send me a 6 foot tall blond hooker with a bullwhip, an African midget, 50 gallons of Jello, 20 Viagras, and a latex body suit."
"Yessir, right away sir."
Twenty minutes later, the room phone rings.
"Sir, I'm terribly sorry, but we got everything you wanted......except the African midget. I'm so sorry."
"WHAT!!!!! NO MIDGET???!!" says Eli. His face falls.
He puts the phone to his ear again.
"OK, OK, just forget the whole thing and send me up a prune danish."
gb hill
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All I really need is an iphone!!
Why would I care to spend that kind of cash on a dinky 2 megapixil camera.
M. Valdemar
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Doesn't matter. People don't like locked GSM phones.
Yep, activating at home allowed the export market to prosper.But there will be significantly less demand for unlocking this time around, as there are far more countries that will be selling the 3G from day one.
The vast majority of phones were never unlocked, so there should be plenty of used ones available when people upgrade to 3G.
M. Valdemar
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It's a nice toy for young computer/text messaging nerds and fashionistas. YOU are not the target market.
All I really need is an iphone!!Why would I care to spend that kind of cash on a dinky 2 megapixil camera.
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gb hill
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Seriously the photos have really nice colour. I like the dreamy mood of the photos.
gb hill
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I have to agree with you.It's a nice toy for young computer/text messaging nerds and fashionistas. YOU are not the target market.
Let's see, how many people own locked iphones? Close to 6 million. Nah, no one wants locked GSM phones. 
M. Valdemar
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When out and about, it's better than no camera.
Also, one can fumble with the phone as though one were checking their text message or something, and people are completely unaware you are taking a picture.
Also, one can fumble with the phone as though one were checking their text message or something, and people are completely unaware you are taking a picture.
Seriously the photos have really nice colour. I like the dreamy mood of the photos.
M. Valdemar
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There are about 3 million iPhones outside the USA.
All are unlocked.
It takes 30 seconds to unlock the Gen 1 iPhone with public domain software.
All are unlocked.
It takes 30 seconds to unlock the Gen 1 iPhone with public domain software.
Let's see, how many people own locked iphones? Close to 6 million. Nah, no one wants locked GSM phones.![]()
I know all about unlocking iphones, I've been exporting them for months.
But there is no way there are 3 million outside the USA. Not even close.
Apple has sold close to 6 million, before they ran out a few weeks ago. No way 50% of them are outside the US.
But there is no way there are 3 million outside the USA. Not even close.
Apple has sold close to 6 million, before they ran out a few weeks ago. No way 50% of them are outside the US.
M. Valdemar
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Not only that, unless an iPhone is "jailbroken" (unlocked), you cannot install apps.
Your estimates about unlocked iPhones with the AT&T plan is way off, in my opinion. You're entitled to believe whatever you want.
People all over Europe, Russia, Asia have unlocked iPhones. There were millions exported and grey marketed.
Your estimates about unlocked iPhones with the AT&T plan is way off, in my opinion. You're entitled to believe whatever you want.
People all over Europe, Russia, Asia have unlocked iPhones. There were millions exported and grey marketed.
Thanks for letting me believe what I want, heh. 
No question there are plenty of unlocked iphones used outside the US; i exported a large qty myself. But no way its 3M. Apple might approach or even reach 50% overseas sales when it has full intl distribution, but the gray market could not approach that percentage.
No question there are plenty of unlocked iphones used outside the US; i exported a large qty myself. But no way its 3M. Apple might approach or even reach 50% overseas sales when it has full intl distribution, but the gray market could not approach that percentage.
lZr
L&M
I'll go 5 Mpixels with N95.:bang: Better with 10 Mpixels from Samsung, SCH-B600. Its price is = Leica and is better. I think it doesn't have thread for my tripod. Bad!
M. Valdemar
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The only thing good about the iPhone is the clever software that lets you flip pages, etc etc.
1) As a mobile phone, it's mediocre. The volume is too low, it drops calls, you need too many strokes to dial, the ringer isn't loud enough, the reception is sub-par.
2) The camera is cute but no better than the cheapest of focus-free digital cameras, basically a toy.
It's a very impressive TOY with very SNAZZY SOFTWARE and INTERFACE. It has some nice mail/text/photo integration.
My Motorola RAZR is a far better appliance phone, but what the heck. Now I can join the rest of the grinning and pecking fools.
What I want to do is program the iPhone with my SIPPHONE settings and use it as a WIFI VOIP voice phone with GIZMO, then I can ditch my 2 year old wifi VOIP phone, which works well but is a slow clunker to acquire a signal.
1) As a mobile phone, it's mediocre. The volume is too low, it drops calls, you need too many strokes to dial, the ringer isn't loud enough, the reception is sub-par.
2) The camera is cute but no better than the cheapest of focus-free digital cameras, basically a toy.
It's a very impressive TOY with very SNAZZY SOFTWARE and INTERFACE. It has some nice mail/text/photo integration.
My Motorola RAZR is a far better appliance phone, but what the heck. Now I can join the rest of the grinning and pecking fools.
What I want to do is program the iPhone with my SIPPHONE settings and use it as a WIFI VOIP voice phone with GIZMO, then I can ditch my 2 year old wifi VOIP phone, which works well but is a slow clunker to acquire a signal.
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