An Experience with eBay Seller mr*scheimpflug

copake_ham said:
At least that's how it works here.

No, it isn't.

http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/websc...oc=804&unique_id=1675&source_page=_home&flow=

Making Payments - Payment Methods

How do I send a credit card payment?

If you have a PayPal account, you can choose to use your credit card as your funding source when you send money. If there is enough money in your PayPal balance to cover the payment, your credit card may not be a funding option for that payment.

In my experience, when I have a paypal balance, I cannot change my method of payment to a credit card. If I dispose of the balance, then I can change my method of payment to a credit card.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks
 
I have 55 ebay transactions, both as buyer and seller, with 100% positive feedback. I've only gotten one misrepresented camera, a black Spotmatic from Asia that arrived with a tilted prism and a missing meter stop-down lever. Of course I couldn't see the tilted prism in the very well-done photographs, and in retrospect I realized it was so cleverly photographed that there was no view of the left side of the camera body, which would have shown the broken lever. I sent it off to Eric for a CLA ($55) and it's been fine since.

The seller is on my don't-by-from-this-guy list.

My mistake, as a seller, occurred a couple of years ago when I sold a Maxxum 7000 body. I had noticed that the autofocus seemed to hunt a bit, but attributed it to having been unused for a year. I should have mentioned it in my description. When the buyer got the camera it apparently hunted quite frequently and he said I should have mentioned this in my text. He was right. I told him to keep the camera and refunded the selling price plus shipping costs. He was quite happy and gave me positive feedback.

Recently, a camera shop owner, a friend of mine who doesn't even know how to turn a computer on, gave me a mint Rolleiflex to sell for him. As I was examining the camera carefully during writing the description I almost missed the tiny California driver's license number etched on the bottom of the lens mount. Had I not alerted the potential buyer to it I would have been in deep doodoo.

As it turned out, that etching cut the selling price in half. Should have brought $800+. Highest bid was $431 and the camera did not sell as its owner instructed me to set the reserve at $600.

Later I received a pleasant email from the high bidder. He is a collector. Obviously the etching turned a near-perfect camera into a user.

Interestingly, I've purchased three cameras from both Russia and the Ukraine - thinking I was taking a huge risk. In fact each camera (Zorki 4K, FED 2, Kiev 4AM) arrived in better condition than described. Go figure.

Ted
 
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The Zorki 4K I bought from Russia fell into pieces when I used it. The Zenit lens I bought arrived in pieces. I don't buy FSU stuff anymore. I hear it is good when you get a good one, though. I know lots of folks have gotten good stuff from FSU countries, though. I just got unlucky.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks
 
Hi Jenni,
It is interesting to note that many such writers "shout" and insist on using caps.

Kim

MacCaulay said:
Inflammatory and insulting feedback is a reflection of the character of the feedback writer. I feel it's best not to deal with anyone who leaves such feedback.

Jenni
 
MacCaulay said:
Inflammatory and insulting feedback is a reflection of the character of the feedback writer. I feel it's best not to deal with anyone who leaves such feedback.

Jenni

Truly a true statement. I bought a $600 (or so) lens from Mr. S and thought about it a couple of days because of his feedback style. He seemed like a "prick" but there were many more positives than anything else. I bid, won, paid, and received the item very quickly. All of the corespondence seemed automated but that's okay. It was efficient and I got what I wanted at a decent price. The lens was exactly as described and exactly as depicted. Maybe I got lucky, but I was very satisfied with my dealings with him.
 
sounds like the seller advertised clearly that refund only if not happy. i am not sure why you insisted to keep the camera and yet feel so strongly that seller should reimburse you the cost of "repair" in your leizure. he did offer you to send the camera back for a refund, did he? then it is your decision to keep it and be happy with it, or send the damn thing back for a refund. why is this not clear? and how honest do you want people to be?

i don't even want to say that the dim finder is not a mechanical problem, but whatever...

sorry if i sound snappy. all because of a recent similar event...

i never sell anything with partial refund, period. if i advertised that, i mean it. i do not want to discuss any further. either you take it and be happy with it. or send it back for a refund. i'd rather trust myself than someone else who wants the item but wants me to pay what they want to spend the money on. you are buying a used item, for crying out loud.

sorry for your trouble but stop whining for you are the unfair one...in this case anyway...

btw, if i misread something in your original posting, sorry. it wasn't a short story.
 
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i will also add that i would hate buyers to mess with the item, through a licensed technician or not, before returning for i have no way to know what happened. it is completely reasonable that i ask buyer to either keep or return, but not mess with it. once you decide to keep it, with a used item, it is yours, not mine anymore and you can do anything you want to. in that case, why should i be responsible afterward?
 
Yikes.

Yikes.

Seriously, wtl. Is it a Monday where you're posting from? I think Kim's points were well-made, especially in the shabby way he was treated. Never mind the refund itself.

Bill, by the way - thanks for that toolhaus link; it'll be a big help in the future.


--joe.
 
MacCaulay said:
Wtl,

Are you the infamous Mr S in disguise? 😀

if my bank will allow me to invest in so many equipment to sell. 😉

most human conflicts start from self-righteousness, failing to see what's fair and how their actions and demands affect others. can't remember who said that. maybe it was me, me in disguise.
 
planetjoe said:
Seriously, wtl. Is it a Monday where you're posting from? I think Kim's points were well-made, especially in the shabby way he was treated. Never mind the refund itself.

Bill, by the way - thanks for that toolhaus link; it'll be a big help in the future.


--joe.

not quite monday here but yes, i am a bit snappy...

still, my thought is what i intend to "balance" the overwhelming feeling of group hugs around here all the time.
 
wtl said:
not quite monday here but yes, i am a bit snappy...

still, my thought is what i intend to "balance" the overwhelming feeling of group hugs around here all the time.

Ah- well. I see. Anyway I personally tend to prefer group hugs to dogfights as seen on some forums I avoid.....
 
jaapv said:
Ah- well. I see. Anyway I personally tend to prefer group hugs to dogfights as seen on some forums I avoid.....

Hear, hear.

And wtl: your points are well-taken, but it's probably Kim that has the final say on letting the matter rest. I will say this, though: in this forum - and others - I try to address folks (whether it be confrontationally or otherwise) as I would were I face-to-face with them. This is, of course, simply my personal penchant.

I wonder if some others here - not you necessarily, but those that shall remain nameless - think about their more scathing comments in this manner.


Cheers,
--joe.
 
I like dogfights. But I've been wearing my nice-guy hat for the past couple days. Gotta build up some good karma before I tell ya'll where to get off and how to wear while doing it again. Either that or I'm doing well in other departments and the happiness just spills over.

Quick round of Kumbayah, anyone? Nah, me neither.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks
 
bmattock said:
I like dogfights. But I've been wearing my nice-guy hat for the past couple days. Gotta build up some good karma before I tell ya'll where to get off and how to wear while doing it again. Either that or I'm doing well in other departments and the happiness just spills over.

Quick round of Kumbayah, anyone? Nah, me neither.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks

Ah- but you are allowed to, Bill. Everybody around here knows you're just a teddybear 😀
 
I think wtl's point is well made and his point of view is perfectly valid. If the seller wishs to offer such a policy, it is his perogative. If he had explained this in a reasonable manner, the decision is then mine - end of story. However, there is/was no need for abuse, threats and false accusations. If the seller has made a serious error in the listing which grossly affects the value of the camera, he can hardly expect glowing positive feedback and I certainly don't think it is acceptable that he lied to eBay and informed them that I had failed to pay for the item. He can claim a refund of his FVF by notifying them that he has made a refund.

WTL,
As the the other points, nobody has "messed" with the camera. CRR have done nothing more than a visual inspection, something which Paypal normally asks for an independent appraisal in such disputes. The major problem in the finder is mechanical in that the finder lines are stuck. Indeed part of my dilemma is that CRR cannot say if they are repairable without taking the top off.

If you had read my first post (sorry about the length, I was trying to be fair) you will have seen that I said that this was not a scam alert and Mr S did seem to have a lot of satisfied customers. However, his descriptions do not appear to be infallable. If you are in the US and don't mind paying the shipping both ways under his terms or one way if you go through Paypal, there is little risk. However, if you are outside and are subject to duty/tax fees then he is not prepared to compromise and in my case got very nasty when I asked.

Kim


planetjoe said:
Seriously, wtl. Is it a Monday where you're posting from? I think Kim's points were well-made, especially in the shabby way he was treated. Never mind the refund itself.

Bill, by the way - thanks for that toolhaus link; it'll be a big help in the future.


--joe.
 
planetjoe said:
but it's probably Kim that has the final say on letting the matter rest.

Cheers,
--joe.

Uhm...unless you mean Kim can continue on complaining on RFF, the matter has been settled, I would think. It does not seem like Kim will get more out of this than he already did that is leaving a negative feedback. With so many pictures showing the item in the ad and some unqualifiable words such as "gorgeous" in the seller's description, plus the offer for refund, I am not so sure what a buyer can further request.
 
Kim Coxon said:
I think wtl's point is well made and his point of view is perfectly valid. If the seller wishs to offer such a policy, it is his perogative. If he had explained this in a reasonable manner, the decision is then mine - end of story. However, there is/was no need for abuse, threats and false accusations. If the seller has made a serious error in the listing which grossly affects the value of the camera, he can hardly expect glowing positive feedback and I certainly don't think it is acceptable that he lied to eBay and informed them that I had failed to pay for the item. He can claim a refund of his FVF by notifying them that he has made a refund.

WTL,
As the the other points, nobody has "messed" with the camera. CRR have done nothing more than a visual inspection, something which Paypal normally asks for an independent appraisal in such disputes. The major problem in the finder is mechanical in that the finder lines are stuck. Indeed part of my dilemma is that CRR cannot say if they are repairable without taking the top off.

If you had read my first post (sorry about the length, I was trying to be fair) you will have seen that I said that this was not a scam alert and Mr S did seem to have a lot of satisfied customers. However, his descriptions do not appear to be infallable. If you are in the US and don't mind paying the shipping both ways under his terms or one way if you go through Paypal, there is little risk. However, if you are outside and are subject to duty/tax fees then he is not prepared to compromise and in my case got very nasty when I asked.

Kim

Kim, I am impressed with your manner. And glad you did not get carried away from my tone.

I understand the custom fee and all that. But that's the risk you should know before you get in a deal online. Yes, if I were the seller, I would personally offer to pay in full or partially for those added fees due to initial misunderstanding in description, as I have offered to a forum member here when there was a problem. But this should not be mandatory, as we both know. Not long ago B&H sent me some expired films in the mail and I had to pay the shipping to send them back for exchange.

I do understand the magic of being nice that will sometimes go a long way in communication. But it doesn't always work. Not in my case anyway. I sent out a 60-70 year old lens to a forum member that he claimed to be unhappy with. The lens was marked gift as buyer requested and I stupidly agreed. I offered both way shipping to and from Japan and US but was refused. Buyer asked for a full refund, plus keeping the lens, or he threatened to leave me a nasty feedback on this forum (which later he did). On top of all these, the buyer used someone else's paypal account which I had no idea at time. What do you do in that case?

From now on, I will do as Bill suggested that to mark everything "broken" or I will throw everything into trash before I go on selling to strangers. No group hug from me. 😡

But good luck with everything. $700 for a repairable M3 is not a bad deal in any case. Just to make you feel better, it will last for a long time. If you do paint it black, it will be a beauty...
 
jvx said:
next time, a description that is actually the truth, perhaps?

keep hoping everyone has the same definition of what's gorgeous...
 
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