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Not so new now.
There are plenty of unmoderated places to rant, if one wishes. I'm very happy living by the rules of the homeowner when I visit.
An Open Letter......
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MSader
Guest
My husband was banned for writing "shoving it up your **s.
The member this was directed to got away with making far worse insults since my husband joined. I had read some of them.
Back Alley (the moderator) had also insulted him and there was a nasty e-mail exchange. All my husband wanted was for the insults directed at him (and others) to stop.
Instead the moderator took the easy way out.
The member this was directed to got away with making far worse insults since my husband joined. I had read some of them.
Back Alley (the moderator) had also insulted him and there was a nasty e-mail exchange. All my husband wanted was for the insults directed at him (and others) to stop.
Instead the moderator took the easy way out.
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ch1
Guest
MSader,
Terms like "shoving it up your **s." are unwelcome here. And I am sure there were other things too.
When I first posted here I was often confrontational. I leaned to be otherwise - including publicly apologizing to another member to which I said far less.
I think you are welcome here - if it is to speak your mind and interest in RF photography. I don't think that you are welcome here if it is to be a "surrogate" for somone who has made crude ad hominem attacks.
Terms like "shoving it up your **s." are unwelcome here. And I am sure there were other things too.
When I first posted here I was often confrontational. I leaned to be otherwise - including publicly apologizing to another member to which I said far less.
I think you are welcome here - if it is to speak your mind and interest in RF photography. I don't think that you are welcome here if it is to be a "surrogate" for somone who has made crude ad hominem attacks.
Kim Coxon
Moderator
Andy,
Most of the posts on this thread would seem to disagree with you.
A few days ago, you started a thread which purported to be pro film but many of you arguments were anti digital. The moderators said and did nothing. When there were some strong replies to your posts, you reported the thread to the moderators and asked that the "offenders" be dealt with. I replied to you and refused. The replies were in Joerge's guidlines. You replied talking about the "favoured few" who you claimed were allowed to say anything and demanded that action be taken against them. When the arguments started to get personal, both Joe and Ralph posted a request that the arguments should be confined to the subject. When this did not happen, the thread was locked.
In response, you started a new thread attacking several members. At the same time you continued to "demand" action from the moderators until I pointed out to you that you had totally ignored an apology from 2 of the people you mentioned. Few people were interested and the thread turned to wine. Later, you made another provocative post which was also ignored by the mods and by most others and the thread died.
In your 3 recent posts on the subject you have ranted that about the mods. In the first you claim that some and I quote spend most of their time 'sucking up' to moderator(s) and who will gang up on and attempt to drive from RFF, anyone with an opinion different from theirs. I may be mistaken but this seems very much like your actions of a few days ago. In response to that, I send you a PM which you posted. It could easily have been deleted but wasn't.
And now this post. A few days ago you were complaining bitterly that the mods were not taking enough action in censoring posts and not "talking" to members. You are now accusing us of being heavy handed and censoring to suit our own opinions. The only conclusion I can draw is that it is your intent to try to stir up trouble for anyone whose views do not exactly match your.
Kim
Most of the posts on this thread would seem to disagree with you.
A few days ago, you started a thread which purported to be pro film but many of you arguments were anti digital. The moderators said and did nothing. When there were some strong replies to your posts, you reported the thread to the moderators and asked that the "offenders" be dealt with. I replied to you and refused. The replies were in Joerge's guidlines. You replied talking about the "favoured few" who you claimed were allowed to say anything and demanded that action be taken against them. When the arguments started to get personal, both Joe and Ralph posted a request that the arguments should be confined to the subject. When this did not happen, the thread was locked.
In response, you started a new thread attacking several members. At the same time you continued to "demand" action from the moderators until I pointed out to you that you had totally ignored an apology from 2 of the people you mentioned. Few people were interested and the thread turned to wine. Later, you made another provocative post which was also ignored by the mods and by most others and the thread died.
In your 3 recent posts on the subject you have ranted that about the mods. In the first you claim that some and I quote spend most of their time 'sucking up' to moderator(s) and who will gang up on and attempt to drive from RFF, anyone with an opinion different from theirs. I may be mistaken but this seems very much like your actions of a few days ago. In response to that, I send you a PM which you posted. It could easily have been deleted but wasn't.
And now this post. A few days ago you were complaining bitterly that the mods were not taking enough action in censoring posts and not "talking" to members. You are now accusing us of being heavy handed and censoring to suit our own opinions. The only conclusion I can draw is that it is your intent to try to stir up trouble for anyone whose views do not exactly match your.
Kim
Andy K said:
a.black
viva la Swiss
MSader said:
What was really said in soem e-mails, only the involved know. Most of us just heard rumors, or read a quick overview posted by Joe.
But what Joe has said several times is that he tried hard to get FrankG back to this forum, only to see that in one of his first posts he made the "shove" remark.
The ban did not come from Joe or any other mod, but was done by Jorge, who is the administrator and owner of this forum. His rules, his decision.
RJBender
RFF Sponsoring Member
MSader said:
Actually, Frank told another RFF member to either shove it or ________ and said I'm sure you know how to do either. The other member denied that he had ever sent nasty e-mails to Frank. In fact, in one of the other threads he seemed to support Frank.
If Frank wants to post, he can do it through your user name, right? He just has to pretend he's you.
R.J.
RJBender
RFF Sponsoring Member
Kim Coxon said:
Yeah... I was sorry he took something the wrong way although I didn't intend to offend him. It had to do with being 100% analog and using the sun to make platinum prints like this photographer in Tucson. http://www.alternativephotography.com/process_pt_pd_simple.html
Bye, Andy. I need to update my control panel so you don't have to report me to the mods again. Enjoy your film!
R.J.
Andy K
Well-known
Kim Coxon said:
I did not 'attack' those members. I posted a thread asking why they felt the need to trash the original thread.
I posted your PM in public because I have nothing to hide. If you don't like that perhaps you should think twice before threatening to ban someone for something thay have not done.
I found your accusation of 'anti-US feeling' based on my dislike for Californian wine quite distasteful. For your information I have visited the US several times and have found the people to be among the friendliest and most welcoming I have ever come across in my travels (most of Europe and Australasia). I will admit I strongly disagree with the actions of the current US Administtration, but then so do many millions of Americans, that does not mean I am 'anti-US' and it certainly does NOT colour my responses online. Btw, I was at the top of the WTC a month before the 9/11 attrocity and can still see the faces of those who worked in the restaurant there, and I still get chills whenever I see 9/11 footage. So please keep your nonsense to yourself in future and learn to moderate without your personal feelings colouring your judgement..
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I did not start this thread.
I stand by my comment on the heavy handed and blinkered moderation.
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Toby
On the alert
I personally have found the atmosphere here to have soured slightly in recent times. I think the rule for banning people should be simple. A member should be trusted enough for the moderators to feel they don't have to watch him all the time. Once we get into a situation where unpaid moderators are spending to much time tracking indivdual members to see what there up to there's a problem. As I think I've mentioned in other posts I run a bar a so can sympathise with the moderators, I decided a while back that if I couldn't go and have my dinner or go out because a customer couldn't be trusted to behave himself I would ban them because they reduced my quality of life and generally soured the atmosphere of my pub. I feel that the atmosphere of RFF is all important and that is what must be preserved. I think also that individual members often see a "snapshot" of an individuals behaviour when moderators deal with the big picture. I have often had words with people over fairly minor things and appeared heavy-handed -often a small thing can be the last straw after prolonged period of irritation. At the end of the day all that moderators can do is what they think is right and the rest of us should respect that
Jocko
Off With The Pixies
Andy K said:
Andy, I hope you will take what follows as candid and friendly.
The personalities we project on this forum are inevitably the tip of an iceberg - an extremely partial view, masking depths we would soon appreciate if we met face to face.
My perception of you, derived from your posts, is of an angry man, anxious to repeatedly indulge a narrow range of national, political and photographic prejudices. Your constant complaints of heavy handed moderation seem deeply ironic, given your apparent intolerance of others.
Is that fair or accurate? I doubt it very much. But that is the impression I have. Self-indulgence is not the same as free expression and it is always wise to remember that we all too easily misrepresent ourselves and our opinions.
Yours, Ian
bruenhilde
Established
Maybe there should be MOTD (Message of the Day), written in big letters, after user's log-on, as for example:
RFF is NOT TOLERANT against INTOLERANCE !
Of course, definition of Intolerance should be in Moderator's hands only.
And my message to Moderators is simple: Just keep doing it ! You are doing good job !
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RFF is NOT TOLERANT against INTOLERANCE !
Of course, definition of Intolerance should be in Moderator's hands only.
And my message to Moderators is simple: Just keep doing it ! You are doing good job !
😡
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Socke
Guest
Hey, can we stop it here?
As an example, all those claims about the missing reliability of digital media are somewhat offensive to me, I earn my living out of digital storage and we do Document Management Systems since 1992.
So I'm either a liar or a total moron when I claim I can retrieve 14 year old documents from digital storage.
Same goes for file formats, if it's supported by any open, as in source code available, software I can convert it to something usable. If it's a MS Word 4 document, AutoCad 2.5 drawing or a Nikon D200 picture makes no difference there.
But I try to take no offense when somebody claims the unreliability of digital storage for the umpteenth time.
As an example, all those claims about the missing reliability of digital media are somewhat offensive to me, I earn my living out of digital storage and we do Document Management Systems since 1992.
So I'm either a liar or a total moron when I claim I can retrieve 14 year old documents from digital storage.
Same goes for file formats, if it's supported by any open, as in source code available, software I can convert it to something usable. If it's a MS Word 4 document, AutoCad 2.5 drawing or a Nikon D200 picture makes no difference there.
But I try to take no offense when somebody claims the unreliability of digital storage for the umpteenth time.
Andy K
Well-known
Jocko said:
I can see how you would think that, and yes you are way off base in that opinion. I am somewhat puzzled as to the political aspect of your comment as I do not recall seeing or taking part in any political threads on RFF.
Andy K
Well-known
Socke said:
I think you miss the point Socke. Not everyone has access to the resources you use. Not everyone constantly backs up HDs, DVDRs, CDRs with multiple copies in multiple locations every six months.
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Socke
Guest
Andy K said:
Not everyone lives in an area slightly below sea level, but a flooded cellar every other year teaches a lesson 🙂
ClaremontPhoto
Jon Claremont
Andy: I backup automatically to dot.mac every night, but that costs €100 a year and I'm looking forward to the upcoming Google GDrive which promises unlimited free online storage.
I back up everything: documents, images, accounts files, mails, user data and so on and can get it back any time I like.
And after your 'anti US' comment about Californian wine please please do not say anything in here about McDonalds or similar. I don't think the server would stand the strain!
I back up everything: documents, images, accounts files, mails, user data and so on and can get it back any time I like.
And after your 'anti US' comment about Californian wine please please do not say anything in here about McDonalds or similar. I don't think the server would stand the strain!
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SLEDGEHAMMER
Guest
How many members get banned so far? Is this comon here?
ClaremontPhoto
Jon Claremont
Three people got banned yesterday for suggesting that RF cameras were best loaded/unloaded by an opening back rather than baseplate.
Kidding.
No, banning is rare.
Kidding.
No, banning is rare.
jaapv
RFF Sponsoring Member.
One thing: Roger Hicks didn't leave because he was misbehaving, other members were bad-mouthing him, at least he felt that way. Maybe if the moderators had been more strict.... But that is water under the bridge and moderating is not an easy job.
hinius
Member
Andy K said:
Socke said:
Wow, yeah, I wonder how and why backing up is so complicated? You'd figure that someone who could figure out how to use an enlarger or manage to handle the complexity of say, the RFF vBulletin interface, would be able to do it, right?
Here's my workflow:
1) Buy some blank DVDs (£7 for 50 discs).
2) Copy pictures (in JPEG, TIFF and RAW formats) to DVDs using backup software. It's really not hard, really. If you can figure out how to upload pictures to an online photo gallery, you can do it. If you can figure out how to scan negatives or prints, you can do it. Make two copies.
3) Give one copy to friend, along with alchoholic bribe.
4) Repeat every six months.
Hmm, how does one backup their negatives? That whole lack of off-site backups must be a real pain in the behind. What do you do? Take two pictures of the same thing on different rolls of film? 😉
