RedLion
Come to the Faire
First, thanks for replying.
Second, I'm utterly pessimistic about "cognitive progress". And not because I'm an old fart - which I am or becoming more quickly as I'd like - but because I have been so since my "Ramones" days (put that just for fun in my other post, some of my all time musical heroes include David Thomas, Nick Cave, Shostakovich, Zappa or Fela Kuti; no joking here). There was a time when I was younger and as an expat had to make a living here in Barcelona as a construction worker. When telling so, many people turned their back on me, so sometimes I mention The Ramones as an innocent private joke).
Having said that - no idea if this was a good idea in the first place, but I won't delete it - I'll try to respond to your points:
1) Bifurcation means there are only two possible ways to go. I don't think there's no more than choosing between two alternatives. Starting to discuss concepts like "meaning" and "significance" is like opening a can of worms, unless we get these very clear from the outset (though I suspect you're riding the semiotic train). What I see and percieve in real life, and that includes the academic world, is a total loss of ANY reference. Not in the sense that references are being questioned, but as being absent. If that's ok with you, I profoundly disagree. There's no future whithout a past.
2) 2.1: That's as it always has been and will continue to be so.
2.2: Nor was it before, unless you mean it to be in a social context. And that hasn't changed, as far as I know. Bloomsbury group perhaps?
Here's my (re)reading list (they're on the top of my desk right now) for the coming months if work gives me a chance and for anyone interested in the subject: The Revolt of the Masses + The Dehumanization of art and Ideas about the Novel, (Ortega y Gasset); The Transfiguration of the Commonplace (Arthur C. Danto); A Philosophy of Mass Art (Noël Carrol).
And please, anyone who reads this, don't think I'm trying to be priggish. I really do like this type of discussion and would like to be able to put some more wood on the fire. For the sake of enlightment.
Nescio
EDIT: electronic music en general bores me to death, but listening to COIL suddenly all is forgiven...
Nescio,
I think it's fashionable nowadays to deny the referent - to deny that there's any deeper meaning to a photograph, or to art, etc... I see many artists do this almost as a kind of reflexive response to inquiries from people who ask them about what they do. I would attribute this to a defense mechanism mostly - an artist protecting his muse or daemon whether consciously or in an unconscious attempt to avoid criticism.
Now as to whether or not there's a deeper meaning or pattern to our artistic expressions (ie. photography), I believe that there is NO DOUBT. However, being able to address this as a topic is very delicate because what I see in a photograph may be different from what you see or from what the photographer saw. AND YET, the photograph can also be seen as a expression of a collective and cultural pattern. The well known English photographer Jo Spence wrote many essays on photography from a Marxist class perspective, which is but one way to look at the cultural patterns. I myself would not choose this "lens" but there are a number of others as well. My point however, is that there may not be a single referent. For you that referent may be something quite personal (what Barthes called the "punctum") but collectively the referent will exist as well.
The problem in post-modernism is that the professional standard bearers for the art (high profile photographers, art museum curators, art historians, gallery owners, organizers of major art show such as the Art Basel exhibition which is coming soon to Miami, etc...) are themselves either denying the referent or ignoring it, or pointing to the shocking and ironic as a kind of inside joke on the viewer - the archetype of the iconoclast.
We can no longer rely on the professionals to tell us what things mean collectively. Each professional organization is doing their data mining of the collective meaning space and spinning it to further their own agendas. Advertisers data mine the collective meaning space in order to come up with more profitable ad campaigns, etc... Look at what Facebook is doing in this regard as well. BUT in our highly fragmented modern and post-modern world we are beginning to see through this.
So that was my main point. The meaning of an image or photograph is in each individual's response AND in the collective cultural unconscious. This is a matter of contexts and perspectives. As the democratization of image making proceeds, there will be a greater need to be able to data mine this collective space ourselves to see the chain of causation between sign-signified-referent both individually and collectively. This is learning how to communicate - how to navigate the collective meaning space in order to be more effective in whatever you're trying to accomplish with your images.
One does not need any of this if all they're trying to do is make a pretty picture for themselves, but the current trend in photography is sharing images via social media. But this is also how the owners of these channels obtain free content so that they can make money. If you want to follow the meaning, the referent, follow the money. What's happening is that the collective space is being carved up through corporate balkanization where we are allowed and encouraged to cluster into self-selected groups according to shared meaning and then advertised to accordingly. The fragmentation of the referent has given rise to niche marketing.
I don't know if we'll ever get back to a universally shared sense of meaning in our society. It would require the emergence of a higher order of complexity - a new paradigm in understanding and using images would have to emerge.