krishilife
Member
Hi,
The new Summarit-M lenses are on the market for some time, but I can't find any info about their performance on a film body. Most info I've found on the net, are on M8 body. Because I like the idea of small kit, and because I don't have M8, I'd like to ask about this combo.
I'm concerned about vigneting on a film body. Any owners/experience?
Thanx.
The new Summarit-M lenses are on the market for some time, but I can't find any info about their performance on a film body. Most info I've found on the net, are on M8 body. Because I like the idea of small kit, and because I don't have M8, I'd like to ask about this combo.
I'm concerned about vigneting on a film body. Any owners/experience?
Thanx.
M. Valdemar
Well-known
They're not designed as "digital" lenses with a smaller image circle, so there's no reason they would vignette on a film body.
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edodo
Well-known
if the summarits are the same design as the summarit 40mm 2.4 in the minilux, I can say that this lens is superb, no vignetting at all, killer performance stopped down, and pretty good wide open. Leica color rendition due to their coating etc...
BNF
Established
I too have been searching for information about these lenses on film bodies.
I have read a few comments at photo.net that quote factory literature as saying that the lenses need to be stopped down to avoid vignetting/lightfall off (on film).
I would not 100% agree with Valdemar's position. I think that they were in fact to match with the M8 and digital Ms to come in mind first.
I have read a few comments at photo.net that quote factory literature as saying that the lenses need to be stopped down to avoid vignetting/lightfall off (on film).
I would not 100% agree with Valdemar's position. I think that they were in fact to match with the M8 and digital Ms to come in mind first.
krishilife
Member
That's what I suspect, new Summarits are great performers on M8, but unknown on a film. I thought that maybe somebody has tried this combo. F2.5 is already slow, in fact, I can live with that. However, if I have to step down to F4, or 5.6, it's unacceptable.
M. Valdemar
Well-known
This is the discussion of what you're talking about. It has nothing to do with the Summarits being designed as "digital" lenses or not. You're misinterpreting.
If you're being ultra-critical, it's something that happens with almost every lens. I don't think you could even detect it in normal shooting:
http://photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=00OUyN
If you're being ultra-critical, it's something that happens with almost every lens. I don't think you could even detect it in normal shooting:
http://photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=00OUyN
Roger Hicks
Veteran
There is no more vignetting with these lenses on film at full aperture than with any other comparable design, i.e. next to none. Valdemar has it right.
My wife Frances Schultz and I have used them extensively on film -- she uses them exclusively on film -- though the 'first look' on our site used only the M8 in the interests of speed:
http://www.rogerandfrances.com/photoschool/ps firstlook summarit.html
We have already submitted a test to Black and White magazine (film only) and as soon as I sort out my latest computer crash we'll be sending one to Shutterbug too (film + digital).
Have you any specific queries? They are very good lenses indeed, regardless of whether you use film or an M8.
My wife Frances Schultz and I have used them extensively on film -- she uses them exclusively on film -- though the 'first look' on our site used only the M8 in the interests of speed:
http://www.rogerandfrances.com/photoschool/ps firstlook summarit.html
We have already submitted a test to Black and White magazine (film only) and as soon as I sort out my latest computer crash we'll be sending one to Shutterbug too (film + digital).
Have you any specific queries? They are very good lenses indeed, regardless of whether you use film or an M8.
krishilife
Member
Roger, yes I've seen your test, thanx for clearing up my concerns. I posted this thread because I've found mixed opinions. I just wanted to know if they were made for M8 in mind. If they perform fine on a film, I'm going to try them.
I'm also interested in comparing Summarit-M 50mm to Summilux 50mm (pre-ASPH) in bokeh area. I see that these little summarits deliver great bokeh, and very good sharpness. I don't need F2 much, but interested in F2.8 of both. Summilux is well known for it's bokeh, is summarit-M as good?
On Roger's website summarit-M bokeh looks really good (at least to me).
I'm also interested in comparing Summarit-M 50mm to Summilux 50mm (pre-ASPH) in bokeh area. I see that these little summarits deliver great bokeh, and very good sharpness. I don't need F2 much, but interested in F2.8 of both. Summilux is well known for it's bokeh, is summarit-M as good?
On Roger's website summarit-M bokeh looks really good (at least to me).
Avotius
Some guy
The 50 2.5 interests me a bit because as much as I like my Zeiss Planar I am finding it a little uncomfortable to use for a long time. Focus tabs seem to agree with me. Also the Planar doesnt agree with my style of black and white shooting, a pity....after dozens of rolls im not feeling it for bw and I need it to work both ways.
Rob-F
Likes Leicas
The 75mm Summarit f/2.5 looks attractive to me. I'd like to read any comment users may have. Summarit vs. 75mm Voigtlander comparisons also would be interesting.
Graham Line
Well-known
A thorough report appears in the 23 February 08 issue of Amateur Photographer (which just arrived here in Portland yesterday). Crawley is very complimentary. The sharpness/definition traces are right at the top of the chart, there's next to no chromatic aberration -- much better than most lenses they test.
On vignetting it says "Corner shading is fairly obvious with all four lenses until the apertures are closed down to f/4. Even at f/5.6 it may still be apparent with the 35mm and 50mm lenses."
Interpreting their diagrams, it looks like more than 1 EV wide open for the set but this is pretty common with any lens.
The only photos published with the test are crops to show resolution with the M7 and M8.
Flipping through the back issues, they look very competitive with the Zeiss and Voigtlander lenses, which must have been their goal.
Now I'm looking forward to the arrival of the 16 Feb issue.
On vignetting it says "Corner shading is fairly obvious with all four lenses until the apertures are closed down to f/4. Even at f/5.6 it may still be apparent with the 35mm and 50mm lenses."
Interpreting their diagrams, it looks like more than 1 EV wide open for the set but this is pretty common with any lens.
The only photos published with the test are crops to show resolution with the M7 and M8.
Flipping through the back issues, they look very competitive with the Zeiss and Voigtlander lenses, which must have been their goal.
Now I'm looking forward to the arrival of the 16 Feb issue.
Roger Hicks
Veteran
(1) They really do. I doubt you'll be disappointed.krishilife said:
(2) This is one of the things that few if any magazines have the space to run.
Cheers,
R.
krishilife
Member
I was afraid... "Corner shading is fairly obvious..."
Roger Hicks
Veteran
Joe has it. Find a lens that DOESN'T do that at full aperture.krishilife said:
Your only answer is to try them.
I'd be amazed if you saw it as a problem in real-world photography. We certainly don't.
(but of course you might...)
Cheers,
R.
Graham Line
Well-known
This frame http://www.rangefinderforum.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=80840&ppuser=1085
is from the VC 50/2.5 which AP tested at something like 1.5 stops falloff in the corner. This one is wide open and at about 4' focus. The Summarits may show a little darkening in the corners but I'd be surprised if it's a problem in the real world.
is from the VC 50/2.5 which AP tested at something like 1.5 stops falloff in the corner. This one is wide open and at about 4' focus. The Summarits may show a little darkening in the corners but I'd be surprised if it's a problem in the real world.
tomasis
Well-known
avotius, yeah it is what i thought about planar after seen your both bw and colour works. Summarit looks great especially at ergonomic side. The weight is about 200grams and a tab. voila! Actually I liked pictures very much from leica website summitar lens articles. The signature reminds much of summicron but offers greater versality compared to Elmar 2.8. I could consider to use summarit instead of elmar due not extractable tube. well I'm not in hurry yet now. Good luck with your decision
For me, summarit 90 looks very interesting. Again for ergonomic reasons. I already have a hexanon 90/2.8. But the mechanical design of this left me quite dissapointed. I haven't sent this for adjusment yet. This doesn't focus properly at infinity. Grip area is too tight. Focussing is quite too stiff. Though all some "misadjustments" I still not gonna sell this yet because the optical design is fascinating.So I'd really love if I could move the optics to the body of summarit 90mm. Leica is really the master by designing products for ergonomic use. The signature of Summarit doesn't look bad either.
Summarits are great alternatives to have with Summiluxes. For ergonomic reasons.
See how many times I did use word "ergonomic" lol I guess that I'm not concerned with optical qualities as softness or vignetting. All this can be beautiful anyway
For me, summarit 90 looks very interesting. Again for ergonomic reasons. I already have a hexanon 90/2.8. But the mechanical design of this left me quite dissapointed. I haven't sent this for adjusment yet. This doesn't focus properly at infinity. Grip area is too tight. Focussing is quite too stiff. Though all some "misadjustments" I still not gonna sell this yet because the optical design is fascinating.So I'd really love if I could move the optics to the body of summarit 90mm. Leica is really the master by designing products for ergonomic use. The signature of Summarit doesn't look bad either.
Summarits are great alternatives to have with Summiluxes. For ergonomic reasons.
See how many times I did use word "ergonomic" lol I guess that I'm not concerned with optical qualities as softness or vignetting. All this can be beautiful anyway
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