Any validity to this or is it a joke?

vizioneer said:
In math, a statement is aka a proposition- be it "positive" or "negative". Some proofs of a proposition start off by assuming a statement is false and attempt to prove the false form and arrive at a contradiction, thereby implying the original statement is true. Most can be proved or disproved, and it doesn't matter if it's "positive or "negative". Although this is an interesting theorem:

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/GoedelsIncompletenessTheorem.html
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Problem is that language isn't maths and as such the these rules and propositions don't apply. A double negative, for instance, would result in a positive in maths while in language it's a regular form to indicate a negative (see the french ne... pas, for example).

But all this is just a besides, of course, to the real point at hand.

How would things look if Leica does get bought by Canon, or Nikon, or such? I, for one, would be interested to see where Leica will then be heading.
 
e.g.:

Canon is buying Leica.

Canon is NOT buying Leica.

Canon is not NOT buying Leica = Canon is buying Leica.

I think in this case the statements mathematize rather easily.
 
So that would finally state what the 'L' is in the expensive Canon lens line up then :)

If Zeiss start making Nikon AF lenses then this may well be the way to go for Canon.
 
"Will we then get Nikkor lenses in LTM or M mount? I hope so."

The more choice the better, going by Nikons current lenses they should be very light as well. Although for some odd reason a non metal RF lens would be strange.
 
back alley said:
i'd love for it to be true, maybe a new canon p in the works!!
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Bob Shell says it exists already, since some years, ready for the going to market, no marketing tho because the digital hype made it's future too uncertain in the eyes of the Canon board..
Now a retro market seems to establish itself in the hells kitchen of digital marketing, large enuff to give CV, ZI and in principle Leica too enuff room to survive.

I could image, from the aspects of marketing Leica would be a nice moon to shine on the Canon products.
Volkswagen bought the name Bugatti and built a 1001HP car, what for ? Audi bought Lamborghini, what for ? Ferrari exists only for one single purpose, which is to sell bread-and-butter Fiats.

Seen from this POV it could be the idea for Canon, if at all the rumor has a real background.

Another background could be that the Leica owners prepare the maket for a company sale, and Canon is the most powerful name for a prospective buyer, and tho it is maybe fictive it creates a market for the Leica owners and their company which did not exist before. They hope to get offers now in other words.

What I hope is that at the end Leica will not be a name only, sticking on all kinda plastic crap, like the name Voigtländer was before Mr.K. gave him back it's dignity with a top product which really earns that name.

Maybe we will see a Zeiss line of top lenses for Nikon and a Leitz line for Canon cameras ? And maybe they put the ready-to market RF outta the drawer now at Canon ? It's in the game, and maybe your dreams come true , Joe ! :D

bertram
 
Bertram,
I disagree that Ferarri only exists to sell fiats...it exists to give all car people sweet dreams, or nightmares. :D
Seriously though, Fiat made a great decision to buy out Ferarri...they get more brand recognition for themselves, and Ferarri DOES make a ton of money. I've heard some figures that essentially say that all their car sales, and all their F1 revenue is irrelevant, because their merchandizing accounts for so much money every year.

Back to cameras however, I think even if this is a rumor, if the Canon people are really broad thinking, they would release that rangefinder they've been sitting on. A film version would as we all know it probablly not sell that many copies, but a digital version would sell, I believe, quite well.

Think of all the photographers who carry around bricks all day, and end up having a right arm the size of Schwarzenegger's, and a left arm the size of Jessica Alba's...not to mention it would be quiet. It would be a journalistic killer. Ok, maybe not a killer, but they certainly would sell a lot of them.

Even if the MPixel's aren't quite up to snuff with the Eos line, or even if there's a slight crop, I'll bet Canon would gobble up the market.

I for one do hope that this Canon rumor is true, because at the very least, it will mean that Leica will not die a mouse's crying death, or be bought out by some excentric Chinese billionare, and be used to feed his silliness.

Canon is, let's face it, a very innovative company. They're not a very NICE company, and they like to strong-arm their sales network quite heavily...but they come out with some really fine products.

All Leica would really need, I believe, to keep their production in Europe and become a viable company again, is a shot of some millions to modernize their equipment and practices, fire all their managers, and start thinking 5-10 years ahead like Canon instead of 30 years backward like they usually seem to do.
 
bobofish said:
I for one do hope that this Canon rumor is true, because at the very least, it will mean that Leica will not die a mouse's crying death, or be bought out by some excentric Chinese billionare, and be used to feed his silliness.
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I, for one, would welcome the idea of Leica being owned by a silly billionaire, Chinese or not.

"Make the red dot bigger! No, wait, make it BLUE! Yeah, and put the rangefinder on the bottom, that will be good."

"Ach, mein herr, nein! Dis vill make Leica into zee hund-schisht! We vill not do it! Nicht var!"

"OK, well, then just make the M8 so the back opens up like a normal camera."

Or you could have like Donald Trump come in and run it along with some reality TV show.

"You call this a Summicron? I was making better glass out of coke bottle bottoms with sandpaper and my bare hands! You're fired!"

I'm just imagining the possibilities - I'm all a-quiver.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks
 
One thing for sure: Leica fetishists woudl drive the prices of real German ( ;) ) Leica glass and bodies up the roof on the *bay... :D
 
bobofish said:
Bertram,
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I for one do hope that this Canon rumor is true, because at the very least, it will mean that Leica will not die a mouse's crying death, or be bought out by some excentric Chinese billionare, and be used to feed his silliness.
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I agree, to be the toy of an Chinese billionair would be worst case, worse than what they have now, beeing manufacturers of male jewelry for Hermes.
Things won't get better as long as not any investor is willing to lead this company back to it's photographical roots, selling competence and performance and not a luxury toy.

No matter if it's a rumor without any background or not, it is an issue for another 20.000 hits and 500 posts I'd say. Let's duck and run........ :angel:

bertram
 
It would certainly not be a bad thing for Leica to be bought by a strong company -provided it would not be to kill a competitor or to aquire some patents. I drive a Jaguar designed and built after Ford took over the company and I can testify that it is as much or even more Jaguar-like as before. That kind of thing would be fine for Leica imo.(and I wouldn't mind an Aston-Martin either ;) ) But.. Canon would probably dearly love to incorporate Leica know-how in its own lens designs, stop Canon owners from using Leica glass on their Eos'ses and stop other Japanese companies buying Leica lenses for their digicams and camcorders. So let's hope this rumor is just what it seems to be -an unfounded rumor.
 
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opposite strategies?

opposite strategies?

bobofish said:
Think of all the photographers who carry around bricks all day, and end up having a right arm the size of Schwarzenegger's, and a left arm the size of Jessica Alba's...
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I'm blatantly and shamelessly out of topic, but think of how the left-handed people must look then :D


about the topic...

I don't know where the whole rumor started from, but it sounds much more like a marketing operation (Canon willing to buy Leica) than a real interest. Carl Zeiss decided from their own will and as a corporate strategy to expand their market and design lenses for Nikon "F" mount. Carl Zeiss is an independent vendor. While Canon strategy is to acquire a world icon, a world-renowned company recognized for its technological performance and predominance to make the commoner dream and to be able to brand Leica on some of their lenses, by adapting the Vario-Elmarit design.

Ok ... maybe I sound harsh, or maybe I've got too much food or liquor after lunch, so excuse me in advance if this sounds bad. And I've got nothing against Leica (I'd love a MP "a la carte", so if there are willing donors .. ;))

cheers, just my two cents
max
 
ok, too much liquor definitely. rumors, rumors!
put all I said in conditional, meanwhile I'll go take photos in Monte-Carlo this aftertoon! er.. afternoon *hiccups*
 
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