Anyone Else get hassled by the cops?

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I was in a downtown area of a city in South Florida. I was walking around during the day looking for good photo ops: people, architecture, the things you find in a city. I caught a reflection in a window of the upper portion of a building, and I stopped to take a photo. I got accosted by a cop. Mind you, I was wearing shorts and a T-shirt, had what was obviously a large camera bag hanging from my shoulder, and a camera around my neck. I was not exactly trying to be inconspicuous or suspicious, and I was not threatening in the least. I happened to notice that there were a handful of cops at the end of the street, and I neither thought anything of it, nor considered that I would be perceived as doing anything wrong.

The cop demanded my drivers license and detained me for 10-15 minutes. He made me stand in one place while he checked me out. He was only a few feet from me, but when I leaned toward him because there was a lot of noise and it was difficult to communicate, he unholstered his gun and began to draw it. He told me to keep my hands out of my pockets, even though that is a natural stance when standing in one place. He would not tell me why he was hassling me, but made up some story that I was standing too close to someone's car and they reported concern about me. Total BS. I asked him if they detain anyone standing near a car just because someone doesn't like a person standing there for 2-3 minutes, and he told me they have to follow up on any report. It seems to me that either he had nothing better to do, or he didn't like that I was photographing one of the buildings (not even a government building, just a run of the mill condo building). I asked him if I could get arrested for taking photographs, and he said no. So I asked him how I was to avoid getting hassled for taking photographs or walking on the sidewalk, and he just told me if he got a complaint that he would have to check it out. I was not afraid to speak my mind, but I was cooperative (and pissed off).

So much for freedom. This is not the America that I served in the US Navy to protect. There is nothing I can do about it, and I was not going to end up in jail over a minor incident. But it was disturbing that this could happen. It was also disturbing that I could have potentially gotten shot because I was stopped without cause and I didn't realize that the cop was afraid of me or that I might have done something inadvertent that the cop may have perceived as a threat. (I am about 50, clean cut, etc.) I did not appreciate being treated like a suspected criminal. Fortunately, he did not ask to search me or my camera bag, and I didn't think it was reasonable for me to withhold my drivers license from the cop, although I suspect I could have. Not worth the risk and possibly the inconvenience that would probably follow.

I would rather take my chances in a truly free America then live with what we have evolved into.
 
Oh, say can you see by the dawn's early light
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars thru the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming?
And the rocket's red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there.
Oh, say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

On the shore, dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
In full glory reflected now shines in the stream:
'Tis the star-spangled banner! Oh long may it wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion,
A home and a country should leave us no more!
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps' pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!


I do see the odd loophole here! ^

Forget the US my friend, this is happening to the whole ****ing planet! 🙁
 
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This is becoming too common here. Florida is now just a northern state moved south for the winter. There is such an attitude here that was not here back in 2005. It's a shame, since there's been sooo much Federal money put into reviving the downtown areas of Florida's small towns. There are good photo ops, but the attitude of the police and the people is just took much sometimes. People hassle me when I take a picture of their building - come out at me screaming why I am there. It's a public street.

I personally don't think there is much hope. i will be trying to move away, but so many are trapped by the poor Florida economy, as am I.

If I travel 800 miles west, I can take pictures of what I want, whenever I want. A friendly asking permission usually leads to a good background story and a welcome to come back. People are friendly and even enjoy it.

Many frown on what is referred to as "flyover country", but to me it's the only place with any soul of the former USA that you refer to and I know (I'm 55). I hope the people from those unfriendly areas continue to "fly over". Fine with me.

There's a reason that so many movies and shows are filmed in Louisiana, and it's not just the tax incentives. You're not going to scare any of the "swamp people" with your camera, even if it's a 1DS with that 300mm L glass.
 
Officer, am I being detained? If so, on what grounds? No, I'm not being detained? Then I'll kindly move along. Oh, I cannot get on my way? Then by definition I'm being detained. So! Get your Supervisor here, Sir/Ma'am, oh, and I'll be writing down your badge # and I'll need YOUR name for the suit I Will file for unlawful detention. All the foregoing said in a calm, respectful manner. As to the issue of providing identification, some States require it just by virtue of the Stop; some States will require only that you provide your name verbally; other states have no such requirement. Obviously, your MMV. How did the encounter resolve itself?

FWIW, I remember Southeast Florida in 1955, one gas station on US1 between Pompano Beach and Deerfield Beach, a Phillips 66 station it was. And then the building boom began, and the rest is history as is said. LOL 😀
 
Officer, am I being detained? If so, on what grounds? No, I'm not being detained? Then I'll kindly move along. Oh, I cannot get on my way? Then by definition I'm being detained. So! Get your Supervisor here, Sir/Ma'am, oh, and I'll be writing down your badge # and I'll need YOUR name for the suit I Will file for unlawful detention. All the foregoing said in a calm, respectful manner. As to the issue of providing identification, some States require it just by virtue of the Stop; some States will require only that you provide your name verbally; other states have no such requirement. Obviously, your MMV. How did the encounter resolve itself?

FWIW, I remember Southeast Florida in 1955, one gas station on US1 between Pompano Beach and Deerfield Beach, a Phillips 66 station it was. And then the building boom began, and the rest is history as is said. LOL 😀


I'm afraid that your reasoned response to detention would be wasted on many law enforcement personnel in smaller cities in the South. My opinion, based upon being a born-n-bred Southerner living in smaller cities in the South for the majority of my 54 years.
 
Hmm, that is disturbing. Is Florida like that now? I was there last summer, in Fort Lauderdale, and shot a lot, didn't have a single issue or a dirty look. It might just have been an asshole cop (we seem to be getting more and more of those don't we, no matter where we live) with nothing better to do. Overall I thought the locals down there were friendly enough.
 
I live in South Florida. I've been hassled for taking pictures in a public place, twice by police and once by a security guard, in the last 15 years. Not a very high percentage but disturbing, none the less.

Tom
 
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...So much for freedom. This is not the America that I served in the US Navy to protect. There is nothing I can do about it, and I was not going to end up in jail over a minor incident. But it was disturbing that this could happen. It was also disturbing that I could have potentially gotten shot because I was stopped without cause and I didn't realize that the cop was afraid of me or that I might have done something inadvertent that the cop may have perceived as a threat. (I am about 50, clean cut, etc.) I did not appreciate being treated like a suspected criminal. Fortunately, he did not ask to search me or my camera bag, and I didn't think it was reasonable for me to withhold my drivers license from the cop, although I suspect I could have. Not worth the risk and possibly the inconvenience that would probably follow.

I would rather take my chances in a truly free America then live with what we have evolved into.

@Bigmonstertruck,
As a fellow veteran, I feel your pain.

Amerika v.2013 is a Constitutional Republic in name only. This grotesque, twisted, deformed elephant man of an authoritarian socialist political regime which we live under is not the nation that I swore the soldier's oath to defend no matter what the cost.

Today's Amerika is not the nation that my dad was blown out of a trench and almost killed by a German mortar round defending. It is not the nation his brother left the top half of his skull in the mud at Monschau for. Both these formidable men must surely be spinning in their graves over what this once great nation has become.

If you think it's bad now, wait a few years. Unless there is a seismic shift in the worldview of the electorate and the Political Class is put in their place by the Amerikan people, this nation will come to fully resemble the Orwellian police state in the novel 1984, to wit:
Nineteen Eighty-Four is a dystopian novel by George Orwell published in 1949. The Oceanian province of Airstrip One (formerly known as Great Britain) is a world of perpetual war, omnipresent government surveillance, and public mind control, dictated by a political system euphemistically named English Socialism (Ingsoc) under the control of a privileged Inner Party elite that persecutes all individualism and independent thinking as thoughtcrimes.
(Source: Wilipedia)

Sound familiar? We are well on our way to that type of an authoritarian, fascist/socialist regime where everything not prohibited is compulsory. No, thanks. That is not the America that I ordered. It is not the America that George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, James Madison, et al. ordered, either.

The bottom line regarding photography in the public domain is that it is not a crime and is a right that is guaranteed by Article One of the Bill of Rights:

“Photography, painting, and other two-dimensional forms of artistic reproduction … are plainly expressive activities that ordinarily qualify for First Amendment protection" (Massachusetts v. Oakes, 1989).
And -
"...article 1, article 2. Sale of street photo considered invasion of privacy and a breach of religious rights. Result: considered works of art, not commercial, thus protected by the First Amendment" (Emo Nussenzweig v. Philip-Lorca diCorcia, 2007).
(Source: http://photosecrets.com/case-law )

If police officers are going to go around carrying guns and enforcing the law, it is undeniably incumbent upon them to actually know the law and to (here's the biggie) obey the law. If they are ignorant of the law, one of the favorite mantras of judges comes to bear: "Ignorance of the law is no excuse."

If that applies to private citizens, it sure as hell applies to those wearing badges and guns.
 
I suppose this shouldn't come entirely as a surprise in the state of "stand your ground".

I'm not sure about the whole socialism angle, but what I find making people paranoid is quite simply stuff they have heard feeding into some bizarre collective fantasy about some Other out to get them.

People tend to prepare for the worst, even if the worst is impossible or impossibly unlikely because all the heinous acts out of hundreds of millions of people are distilled into a concentrate that makes it far more omnipresent in the conscience than it truly is. Then things like this happen and the vicious cycle of resentment and mistrust continues.

I don't think a rehash of the John Birch Society is going to help any more than it did last time around. The truth is far less exciting than most people suppose, if they actually bother to wander outside their own version of Plato's Cave. People are just people.
 
Note my location. I have had plain clothes police follow me around the city, even into a KFC when I went for lunch once. Luckily they never actively hassled me except telling me that I could not photograph a protest (which I did anyway)

Attached find a picture of the guy who followed me around several areas of the city one day when there was some "social events" happening and sat in the KFC while I had lunch. I took my bloody time, and watched a video on my phone, just to see how long he would stick around. He stuck around.
 

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Socialist? That's just a bizarre thing to say.

Let's steer clear of political debate on here, though.

I tend not to comment on politics on line as quickly written comments all to often can be misconstrued. However the unfortunate incident described by the OP is deeply and profoundly political. It cuts straight to our basic rights as citizens.

End of rant.
 
Stay out of small towns, especially in the south, southwest and high northern plains.

The majority of law enforcement officers are reasonable, well trained and will not hassle a photographer who is behaving in a reasonable manner on public property. The others can make your life very unpleasant.

While it has nothing to do with photography I was driving with my wife on an Interstate highway that passed near a small town. I had the cruise control set at 80 MPH (15 above the speed limit). I was stopped and ticketed for 98 MPH. I said nothing as I knew I could hire a local attorney, pay a higher fine to a non-speeding charge, and except for the money there would be no consequence. My wife was uncharacteristically furious. For decades she would tell me I was paranoid when I would say something like "Uh Oh! There's a cop." I always responded that a police officer can make your life miserable for no reason at all. After this speeding incident she realized I was right. I ended up paying a fine for improper equipment. The local attorney I hired went to court saying the car had non-OEM wheels and tires so the speedometer was in error. This was a complete fabrication. My drivers' license and insurance rates were not affected.

I recently abandoned a photo project I really wanted to do because it involved taking photographs of public building from public property in small towns. Interestingly I would have spent a few dollars in those towns on food, lodging and gas.
 
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