dave lackey
Veteran
If you are ever in the U.S., I would like to buy you a beer and look over some of your slides! Anyone who enjoys projected images that much is someone I need to meet! Bravo!
meandihagee
Well-known
nice project. what's the name of the song?
marcr1230
Well-known
just tested and sent out a Carousel 4400 to a fellow RFF'er - the slides really pop when projected - just beautiful. oh well, never used it much, need to move on...
Particular
a.k.a. CNNY, disassembler
Great, someone is going to be very happy!
HHPhoto
Well-known
Go for a quality model, not the cheap ones.
Quality models are now very attractively priced, used and new.
Quality model means:
- good projection lens: Most manufactures have offered both cheap (plastic) lenses and excellent glas lenses with metal barrel.
Projection lenses with excellent quality are:
- Zeiss P-Sonnar T 2,5/90 for the Zeiss-Ikon, Zett "Royal" projector Series and the Leica P300 and Leica Pradovit PC and IR models
- Leica Colorplan P/P2 2,5/90, Super-Colorplan P2 2,5/90 and Colorplan Pro (for RT-m carousel model) lens for the Leica projectors (the P series fits the older models, the P2 is for the newer models)
- Kodak Ektapro FF 2,5/93 for Kodak Ektalite and Ektapro carousel projectors
- Rollei AV-Apogon and AV-Xenotar lenses for the Rollei dissolving projectors
- Braun Ultralit PL 2,8/85 B-MC and Ultralit 2,4/90 MC for the Braun projectors
- Kindermann 2,4/90 MC-B and 2,4/90 MC for the Kindermann Projectors.
Furthermore it is recommended to go for the formerly higher priced models, because they are more robustly build, have better condensors, better cooling systems and more features such as slide preview and dual lamp systems.
Examples for such models are Leica P600, Pradovit PC, IR and RT-m, Kindermann Silent Vision 2500, Braun Paximat Multimag Sc 640 and 668, Kodak Ektapro, Rollei Twin MSC Series, Rollei dual 66 P.
I would recommend a projector with 250W power (not with 150W).
You can still get projectors new from DHW (Rollei), Braun, Reflecta, Gecko-Cam/Götschmann and RBT (stereo-projectors:
www.dhw-fototechnik.de
www.braun-phototechnik.de
http://www.braun-phototechnik.de/en/products/list/~pcat.106/Slides-Technology.html
www.reflecta.de
https://reflecta.de/en/products/list/~pcat.5/Dia-Projektoren.html
http://www.gecko-cam.com/sales/goetschmann/
http://www.rbt-3d.de/index.php?idcat=30
http://www.atelier-rieter.de/ang1.htm
Cheers, Jan
HHPhoto
Well-known
You are the right man, Asim
.Maybe your "slide life" can be a bit easier:
Here is another option for E6 development in Istanbul:
http://www.kristalfotograf.com/?sayfa=Ana_Sayfa.
And mail order from Turkey to Germany ("the promised land of slide film and projection"
) is not a problem.Lots of excellent E6 labs in Germany.
My recommendation for excellent quality and international mail order service: www.photostudio13.de
Cheers, Jan
HHPhoto
Well-known
Yes, I completely agree.
35mm slide projection with an ecellent projection lens in a modern 250W projector is already outstanding, and much much better than digital projection with a beamer.
Medium format projection with an excellent projection lens is a league of it's own. Once you have seen it, you know that god really exists....:angel:
Digital can never reach that quality level.
There is a new and very innovative development from the German slide mount specialist Diaspeed (www.diaspeed.de). They have developed a revolutionary new slide mount system, which is glassless, but delivers an excellent edge to edge sharpness like double glass mounts.
These new Diaspeed HT-XYZ slide mounts combine all advantages of glassless mounts (best archivability, no newton rings, best brillance, no dust problems) with the sharpness characteristics of double glass mounts. There is no "plopp-effect" with these new mounts, and excellent edge to edge sharpness.
I am using these mounts for about a year now, and I am completely satiesfied. Best mounts I have ever used.
All my friends are using them, too, and are happy with them as I am.
Cheers, Jan
DrTebi
Slide Lover
Very interesting, I have to try these out. It seems they only offer the mounts for 35mm though... that's too bad.
I usually preferred glass mounts, but can they can be a bit annoying--cleaning the glass, making sure not to trap any dust.
One thing I noticed with glass-mounts is, that you can actually see the "anti-newton pattern" on the screen if you look closely. On some slide mounts this was more obvious than on others, but definitely distracting. It looked very similar to an oversharpened image (aka unsharp-mask).
Has anybody noticed that as well?
HHPhoto
Well-known
They offer a special test set at a very attractive reduced price for those photographers who want to try out these new frames for the first time.
Just send them an email and order the test set of the HT-XYZ slide mounts.
This system is only offered in 35mm because it needs/uses the sprocket holes of 35mm film to achieve this excellent film flatness (similar to the Wess AHX002 mounts, but working much better and more precise, especially with different film types, you even get optimal results with PET-based films, e.g. some BW slide films).
For medium format I would recommend either the Rollei P 66 dual or the Götschmann projectors. They have very good cooling systems, therefore no or less problems with the "plopp" effect.
Gepe mounts with single AN glass are sufficient for very good edge to edge sharpness, if you use the Rollei or Götschmann.
And then you don't have the problems you described.
Cheers, Jan
DrTebi
Slide Lover
Thank you for the info. But if I do use any anti-newton glass, wouldn't that result in the problem I described (seeing the anti-newton pattern at close distances)?
Asim
Well-known
Thanks for the kind words and advice...
Thanks for the kind words and advice...
Thanks for the words of encouragement about my slide film fixation. I actually learned about the developers in Istanbul but the problem I encounter is that I am always just traveling through the city on my way to another location. One day I'll stop there and hand them all my film.
I don't use my own chemicals because as a father of a small kid, I don't have the time (the big reasonan) and I don't want to have any sort of photographic chemicals around the house.
Thanks for the kind words and advice...
Thanks for the words of encouragement about my slide film fixation.
I actually learned about the developers in Istanbul but the problem I encounter is that I am always just traveling through the city on my way to another location. One day I'll stop there and hand them all my film.I don't use my own chemicals because as a father of a small kid, I don't have the time (the big reasonan) and I don't want to have any sort of photographic chemicals around the house.
HHPhoto
Well-known
Well, how close is close..
?I don't have this problem with Gepe single glass AN mounts at normal viewing distances. If you project medium format slides, you normally have at least 1,75m picture width to enjoy the full potential of the medium.
Then you are at least 2,5m away from the screen. And then you don't see the pattern. Maybe from 0,5 - 1m distance, I don't know, because it doesn't make much sense to view a 1,75m or 2m big picture from such a close viewing distance.
Therefore, just relax
.Cheers, Jan
DrTebi
Slide Lover
Well, how close is close..
I don't have this problem with Gepe single glass AN mounts at normal viewing distances. If you project medium format slides, you normally have at least 1,75m picture width to enjoy the full potential of the medium.
Then you are at least 2,5m away from the screen. And then you don't see the pattern. Maybe from 0,5 - 1m distance, I don't know, because it doesn't make much sense to view a 1,75m or 2m big picture from such a close viewing distance.
Therefore, just relax
Cheers, Jan
Well, maybe I am just enjoying the close distance too much
When I sit down and relax, yes, I sit at least about 2 meters from the screen. But I do really enjoy getting up sometimes and diving into that 3D looking image!
Anyway, the AN pattern on GEPE mounts is indeed barely visible. I noticed a much stronger pattern on some no-brand-name AN mounts I used, and was a bit shocked.
Lately I just had my lab mount the 35mm slides for me. It's just so much more convenient. They don't use glass-mounts, so optimal flatness is not necessarily achieved.
What about those projector lenses which have a curvature (I think that's what it's called) to make up for the slight bending toward the edges of non-glass mounts? Has anybody experiences with those?
HHPhoto
Well-known
Yes, these lenses were called CF lenses ("Curved Field").
But they were optimised for the former Kodak paper frames.
With all other frames the results suck.
So forget about it.
Use a normal, excellent lens (I have listed the best ones in one of my postings above) and the new, excellent Diaspeed HT-XYZ frames. Then you have the best quality: Excellent edge to edge sharpness, no "plopp", best brillance and highest resolution.
Cheers, Jan
DrTebi
Slide Lover
Thank you for the info.
I have seen your post on slide projectors, and I actually have two of the ones you listed
The Zeiss Royal and the Leica Prodavit (unfortunately only the 150W version). In comparison, the Leica Colorplan 90/2.5 is a tad sharper than the Zeiss Super Talon 2.5/90 lens, but on the other hand I really like the 250W brightness of the Zeiss projector.HHPhoto
Well-known
You're welcome.
I have seen your post on slide projectors, and I actually have two of the ones you listed
I know the Leica Colorplan 2,5/90. I've seen lots of slide shows were this lens has been used. It is indeed a very very good lens.
For many years it was Leicas best projection lens.
Only its successor, the excellent Super Colorplan P2, surpassed it a bit in optical quality.
For your Zeiss Ikon Royal projector the best lens available is the Carl Zeiss P-Sonnar T 2,5/90. An outstanding lens!
A friend of mine informed me that this excellent Zeiss P-Sonnar T 2,5/90 is even fitting in the latest Leica Pradovit IR and PC models (and the Leica P600 and P600 IR).
I visited him and he showed it to me. He is using a Pradovit PC with the Sonnar. It is a bit loose in the lens canal of the projector, but working properly. Image quality is excellent.
Cheers, Jan