Aperture by Apple

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I have an Intel Mac and find that it does not run Photoshop very well and am considering trying Apple's new Aperture software as it runs natively on the Intel Macs. I will be using this primarily to work on scanned X Pan images. Have any of you tried Aperture?
 
Aperture's primary strength does not lie in image manipulation, rather it is a powerful tool to manage and store your image archives. There are some tools to edit the look of an image but these are rudimentary at best and meant to allow for a quick preview to changes and can be applied to a range of images relatively quickly.

Photoshop should be going native next year so it would be prudent to bear with the current version till then.
 
I use Aperture a lot, but I use it alongside PS CS2. whilst there is some overlap as Terence says, Aperture is primarily workflow software and thus image manipulation tools are limited.
 
patrickjames said:
Try Adobe Lightroom. It is free for the rest of the year and designed to run natively on Intel Macs. The raw processing is better than Photoshop, and it treats all images like raw images. Nice program.

Yeah, but like Aperture, it's primarily an image management program -- NOT an image editing program, as Photoshop is. For working on scanned images -- which is what the original poster said he wants to do -- he's still going to need Photoshop, or something like it. I think his best bet is just to live with its performance under Rosetta until Adobe gets its Universal Binary version out.
 
I've enjoyed it for shooting raw with my dslr. I do wish I had a faster computer for it. It's nice to see all your photos, make a couple tweaks to exposure, convert a couple to B&W, do different crops for different sized prints, etc. It's not meant for nitty gritty image manipulation, though it is good for many of the manipulations usually needed for digital photography. For example, it has a half decent dust/spot removal tool. Since the dust on dslr's is usually in the same place, once you correct the dust in one image, you can lift those corrections and copy them to any number of pictures. Same goes with any other changes you might make (metadata or image).

All in all, it got me tweaking less and taking more photos. I like it a lot. As I don't have a scanner yet, I'm not sure how well it would integrate with a non RAW workflow, but it probably would do ok. It is very easy to send an image to photoshop and once you are done, the modified version shows up in Aperture.

I would imagine for scanning I will probably scan, make initial corrections (dust busting and setting levels) in photoshop to obtain my "master" and then import into Aperture. At a later date, if I want a B&W version of the photo or a different crop, do that in Aperture, because it's version managing system is quite brilliant in my mind.

Lightroom does kind of do the same thing, but I only ever tried to the first beta. Didn't really do what I wanted, but probably has gotten better.

It does sound like you will want Photoshop in the bag though.
 
Tim,
I'd say that current beta of Lightroom is closer to the first version of Aperture. Currrent version of Apeture (1.1?) has improved in a number of subtle but important ways. Just in case you've only used 1.1 vs. the beta.

I dual boot my intel iMac just so I can use Aperture with my RAW files.

allan
 
Not to hijack the thread, but thanks for the info about Lightroom. I figured I'd check it out at some point again, but just haven't really gotten around to it. The one thing that I really liked about Aperture was the whole versions thing, which was sorely lacking in Lightroom at the beginning.
 
I too use a Dual Core Mac. I find the combination of Lightroom and Photoshop to be very useful. I tried Aperture at the local Apple Store and I was very disappointed. It was extremely slow on my largest images (170 MB, 16 bit negative scans from SilverFast). Lightroom is much quicker.

Lightroom lets you export an edited image, an edited-image copy, or the original image to another program for further manipulation. Since SilverFast's "RAW" mode creates negatives, the export feature is essential as neither Aperature ot Lightroom Beta-3 support image inversion.

I am very pleased with Lightroom.

willie
 
Yeah, I think the big change in lightroom recently is similar versioning to aperture - the original stays the same, and you make a series of "actions" that yield the edited version. The original is untouched. Not 100% sure, but I think that's true of Lightroom as well.

Look for Lightroom to go full release in the next few months, methinks, as CS3 is supposed to be December-January or so.

allan
 
kaiyen said:
Yeah, I think the big change in lightroom recently is similar versioning to aperture - the original stays the same, and you make a series of "actions" that yield the edited version. The original is untouched. Not 100% sure, but I think that's true of Lightroom as well.

With Lightroom, as with Aperture, your original raw file remains intact. Settings you make in the "develop" panel (cropping, exposure, contrast, monochrome conversion, etc.) are stored either in the Lightroom database or in a separate XMP "sidecar" file, so you can undo or change them later.

You can't save several versions of the same image, though. Or if you can, I still haven't found out how to do it -- Adobe's actual how-to-use documentation of the beta is laughably sparse, although they've put plenty of effort into PR hype such as self-laudatory podcasts and "adventure tours."

Another big potential gotcha about using Lightroom is related to one of its plus points, the ability to manage raw files "in place" on your hard disk (rather than having to import the file data into the program itself, as Aperture does.) I learned the hard way that if you rename the raw files on the hard disk when Lightroom isn't running (I routinely do this after editing out "duds" so that the remaining files are numbered in sequence) then all your editing changes will be lost -- frustrating if you've spent several hours cropping, exposure-adjusting and color-balancing a large shoot. In my limited experience (don't blame me if it doesn't work for you!) Lightroom DOES update itself properly if you change the filenames while Lightroom is running.

Finally -- I just went through this last night -- if your internal hard disk fills up and you need to move your Lightroom-managed files to an external hard disk, Lightroom will lose track of the original file even if it IS running when you move the files. It will show this by displaying a question-mark icon in the upper-right corner of each thumbnail image. If you try to do anything to the image that requires access to the original data, you'll get a dialog box asking you to relocate the file. Once you've done that for one file, though, all the other files in the same shoot will update themselves.

I've mentioned these problems because they're things in the beta that can cause you to lose time you invested in prepping your collection of images -- if you're trying out the Lightroom beta, beware of them!

There are some other time-loss quirks as well, such as Lightroom's inability to read raw-file adjustment data you've made using Adobe Bridge, Photoshop, or other ACR-enabled software -- Lightroom, having started out with Macromedia before Adobe bought it, uses a different and incompatible data format for storing these settings. However, Adobe at least has acknowledged that this is a problem, which I hope suggests they'll find a way to make Lightroom recognize ACR data for the final release version.

(Oh, yeah, another nuisance about Lightroom's way of saving settings data is that it only lives in the database or XMP sidecar file -- even if you're using a format such as DNG, which is capable of storing the settings data internally. Working with DNG files, you can make ACR settings in Bridge on your laptop, transfer the files to your desktop computer when you get home, and then open the files in Photoshop with all your ACR settings intact. Lightroom can't do the same trick unless you go through the complicated runaround of exporting, transferring, and importing a matching XMP sidecar file for each image. Yuck.)

I'm devoting a lot of attention to this because this is a rangefinder camera forum, and at present Lightroom is the only choice for those of us who use the only extant digital rangefinder camera, the Epson R-D 1. Apparently, Aperture can't be used to manage R-D 1 raw files, even if you translate them to a supported format such as Adobe DNG. And with Epson seemingly content to let the R-D 1 fade into the marketing sunset, it's unlikely Apple will have any incentive to add support for it later in Aperture. So for R-D 1 users wanting a comprehensive raw-file-based management solution, it's likely to be Lightroom or nuthin', now and for the future.

It'll be interesting to see what these two products make of Leica M8 raw files...
 
The thing I like about aperture's versioning is that I can have several versions of the same photo, all at the same time.

The real question is how much is Lightroom going to be? Now that everyone is hooked...
 
I wonder what do you mean by PS not running very well.
I have the version CS, it runs flawlessly on my MacBook with the slowest intel core duo and 1G RAM. By flawlessy I mean i have patience and I can get the stuff done within reasonalbe time. Might be running slower than on a "real" mac with a "G"something, never tried.
Ah, i scan 6x6 frames lately...at 2400 ppi, 48-bit those are pretty large files.

WHat's this Rosetta thing?? Why is that needed?
 
Tim Gray said:
The thing I like about aperture's versioning is that I can have several versions of the same photo, all at the same time.

The real question is how much is Lightroom going to be? Now that everyone is hooked...

Ah, you've grasped Adobe's beta strategy (borrowed from Microsoft, I think...)

I have to say that if Apple were to revise Aperture so it worked with Epson ERF raw files, I'd unhook myself from Lightroom in an instant. The final version of Lightroom should be an okay product, judging by the betas, but it isn't nearly as deep as Aperture in important areas such as providing tools for grouping and comparing images.
 
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