dasuess
Nikon Freak
It appears that you are using a managed library with Aperture. After youhave this issue sorted out and resolved, I would strongly recommend that you use a "referenced" library vs a "managed" library.
charjohncarter
Veteran
I have Apple, but don't always trust it so I edit and tranfer files with PC.
robklurfield
eclipse
Sebastian (are you not really Sebastian, or simply not really Col./Retired???
), that's my next step. Thanks!
), that's my next step. Thanks!
robklurfield
eclipse
robklurfield
eclipse
John, until now, I've always found my Apple gear and software to be far more robust and bug-resistant than my PCs.
It would seem from everyone's comments that the problem is way in which Aperture handles image files. They like to hide the source file behind all kinds of fancy-dancey front-end stuff that seems to be less stable and is certainly less accessible than it ought to be. Perhaps either David's solution (switching the file structure in Aperture -- I didn't know that could be done) or Harry's solution (using Lightroom) are the fix. It's definitely a software problem. It's not the box; it's the code.
Anyway, I'm trying to avoid spending any more money on PCs. I have a couple of paperweights that I'd like to send for recycling as they've been nothing but trouble for years (all but one of them sourced from my workplace).
It would seem from everyone's comments that the problem is way in which Aperture handles image files. They like to hide the source file behind all kinds of fancy-dancey front-end stuff that seems to be less stable and is certainly less accessible than it ought to be. Perhaps either David's solution (switching the file structure in Aperture -- I didn't know that could be done) or Harry's solution (using Lightroom) are the fix. It's definitely a software problem. It's not the box; it's the code.
Anyway, I'm trying to avoid spending any more money on PCs. I have a couple of paperweights that I'd like to send for recycling as they've been nothing but trouble for years (all but one of them sourced from my workplace).
dasuess
Nikon Freak
Details here from the Aperture forum, but before you do anything - backup, backup, backup.
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2738795?start=0&tstart=0
palec
Well-known
You can access your files by within aperture library.
Find the location of the [the name of your aperture library].aplibrary - by default in your home folder/Pictures.
Control-click the file and choose Show Package Contents
the folder structure will reveal (the library itself is a bundle type - masked folder)
In Masters you should have your original files sorted in year/month/day folders, check them if they are ok.
Find the location of the [the name of your aperture library].aplibrary - by default in your home folder/Pictures.
Control-click the file and choose Show Package Contents
the folder structure will reveal (the library itself is a bundle type - masked folder)
In Masters you should have your original files sorted in year/month/day folders, check them if they are ok.
GaryLH
Veteran
Aperture 2 to 3
Aperture 2 to 3
If I remember correctly, one of the fixes in aperture 3 was better database handling and auto detection of database corruption w/ associated fixing.
If u do upgrade to aperture 3, make a complete copy of your original library before u start the upgrade process. Aperture 3 will convert your current database info into the new type.
Good luck
Gary
Aperture 2 to 3
If I remember correctly, one of the fixes in aperture 3 was better database handling and auto detection of database corruption w/ associated fixing.
If u do upgrade to aperture 3, make a complete copy of your original library before u start the upgrade process. Aperture 3 will convert your current database info into the new type.
Good luck
Gary
robklurfield
eclipse
Whoa! This is very disturbing.
I tried your suggestion on the original library and the two that I restored from Time Capsule/Time Machine backups. ALTHOUGH the library original contained something like 3000+ images (I guess that includes versions and masters), none of these libraries contains anything earlier than my last two or three uploads from scanned film -- perhaps 30-70 or so images. Where the hell did everything else go???
Should I attempt another restoration from TC/TM ... going to an earlier backup? If so, I am right in assuming the doing what you suggested before trying to open the library in Aperture might avoid whatever is causing all this corruption.
Wow. This is utterly disturbing.
I tried your suggestion on the original library and the two that I restored from Time Capsule/Time Machine backups. ALTHOUGH the library original contained something like 3000+ images (I guess that includes versions and masters), none of these libraries contains anything earlier than my last two or three uploads from scanned film -- perhaps 30-70 or so images. Where the hell did everything else go???
Should I attempt another restoration from TC/TM ... going to an earlier backup? If so, I am right in assuming the doing what you suggested before trying to open the library in Aperture might avoid whatever is causing all this corruption.
Wow. This is utterly disturbing.
robklurfield
eclipse
More strangeness...
The more recent backups of the library are about 1.25gb in size. Seems frighteningly small. And it is. When I go back three days, the size of the library is a more reasonable 14.25gb. I'm restoring that right now to see if the masters are still hidden/masked in that backup.
The more recent backups of the library are about 1.25gb in size. Seems frighteningly small. And it is. When I go back three days, the size of the library is a more reasonable 14.25gb. I'm restoring that right now to see if the masters are still hidden/masked in that backup.
GaryLH
Veteran
Make a copy of the 14.25 gh one.. Btw depending how big your scanned images are and how many years we are talking about, even that seems a bit small to me.
From the copied one, right mouse click as before using "show package contents". Double click the folder known as master.. From the master folder directory do a spot light search using the file types of your images u imported into aperture such as jpg or dng or tiff for example. Spot light search may sometimes re-highlight backwards to the root hd directory, use your mouse to highlight the "master" in the folder bar area. U should now c all your original files. U should now be able to select all and copy these to a new location.
Anything which aperture called a version is not a real file, but uses database info from the original to create a view of what that will look like.
Gary
ColSebastianMoran
( IRL Richard Karash )
Rob, Rob, Rob... Genius Bar.
You want to be sure you are restoring the right backup, the one with all your images, not the one that has only 1/3 of your photos? It's the original image files that are key, whatever Aperture shows in it's catalog.
Get pro help, don't tinker, or you are risking your images.
Then the comments about file structure sound right to me. That's the way I operate with Lightroom. If Lightroom goes "poooouuf" I still have all my images, I know where they are, in the folders I named.
Repeating my comment in another thread: At some point, Lightroom will be gone, Aperture will be gone, and iPhoto will be gone. Might be tomorrow with a crash, or in five years through corporate turnover. Don't let important stuff be dependent on any one piece of software.
You want to be sure you are restoring the right backup, the one with all your images, not the one that has only 1/3 of your photos? It's the original image files that are key, whatever Aperture shows in it's catalog.
Get pro help, don't tinker, or you are risking your images.
Then the comments about file structure sound right to me. That's the way I operate with Lightroom. If Lightroom goes "poooouuf" I still have all my images, I know where they are, in the folders I named.
Repeating my comment in another thread: At some point, Lightroom will be gone, Aperture will be gone, and iPhoto will be gone. Might be tomorrow with a crash, or in five years through corporate turnover. Don't let important stuff be dependent on any one piece of software.
GaryLH
Veteran
Yep. Genius Bar. Backup backup and backup.
Btw my 2012 aperture library is 11320 images and uses 316gb of hd space as a reference.
Gary
Btw my 2012 aperture library is 11320 images and uses 316gb of hd space as a reference.
Gary
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robklurfield
eclipse
Okay. So my latest restored library, when examined using Palec's method, does seem to have a huge number of my masters -- possibly all of them (I only did a a little random spot checking so far).
What would you suggest I do as a next step to save, protect and store these? I am guessing that I ought to copy them to remote hard drive ASAP for redundant safekeeping. After that, what?
What would you suggest I do as a next step to save, protect and store these? I am guessing that I ought to copy them to remote hard drive ASAP for redundant safekeeping. After that, what?
robklurfield
eclipse
Sebastian, good advice. Anyway, my last restoration seems to have all my DNG/RAW images AND all my scans from negatives, so I'm not totally lost. Genius Bar, here I come.
robklurfield
eclipse
Gary, as to size, the library in question is only of images since I bought this new Mac in August of this year. My older images are on a hard drive in Aperture 2 from my last Mac. So, 14gb is about right (roughly 2-3000 masters, I guess).
GaryLH
Veteran
Aperture 3
Aperture 3
An interesting feature of aperture 3 is during import u can create a backup set..
http://www.apple.com/aperture/features/
Called "backup on import"
Automatically back up your master images to a second drive during import, freeing you from the need to perform a separate, manual backup.
Gary
Aperture 3
An interesting feature of aperture 3 is during import u can create a backup set..
http://www.apple.com/aperture/features/
Called "backup on import"
Automatically back up your master images to a second drive during import, freeing you from the need to perform a separate, manual backup.
Gary
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