I dont mean to stir up anymore controversy. However, for those that have questions about this photo published. Keep this in mind.
Chrtistian Erhardt received an internal email just recently titled:
FYI - M8 Pictures online.EML
And another with "Unbelievable"
Chrtistian Erhardt received an internal email just recently titled:
FYI - M8 Pictures online.EML
And another with "Unbelievable"
rvaubel
Well-known
Jorge Torralba said:
Your going to reveal your source if your not more discrete. Talk about the Mother of all NDA violations.
Rex
Well, leica and RFF are two separate entities with no agreements between them of any kind.
SolaresLarrave
My M5s need red dots!
Come on... this is just gossip.
Matthew
Established
Jorge Torralba said:
Yes, but it's always wise to protect your sources if you want them to keep being sources.
Ash
Selflessly Self-involved
There's a reason a little bird told you, rather than a real person!
zanydave
zanydave
If it was going to look so much like the M7, why all the secrecy?
I honestly think it wil look a lot different to the photo's we have seen.
Dave.
I honestly think it wil look a lot different to the photo's we have seen.
Dave.
rvaubel
Well-known
Jorge Torralba said:
Not you, Jorge. Your the intrepid investigative reporter in this story.... the veritable Bob Woodward of underworld of Leica marketing. Just be careful about unintentionally revealing your "deep throat" .
Rex
Mark Norton
Well-known
All this just builds my respect for Sean Reid who I feel sure has had full access to the camera but who is absolutely whiter than white in terms of respecting his NDA - even to the point of never admitting it exists.
The whole reveal is just tawdry, gutter journalism. Jorge, I expect you have kissed goodbye to any cooperation you might have been hoping for from them with your hare-brained lens coding scheme.
It does appear that the rules of this forum do not extend to respecting someone else's NDA.
The whole reveal is just tawdry, gutter journalism. Jorge, I expect you have kissed goodbye to any cooperation you might have been hoping for from them with your hare-brained lens coding scheme.
It does appear that the rules of this forum do not extend to respecting someone else's NDA.
Mark Norton
Well-known
Presumably, if Jorge has access to Christian Erhardt's emails, his mole has hacked into Leica's email server, maybe one of their IT people. I feel someone's job is on the line here.
Mackinaw
Think Different
I'm in the camp who thinks the pictures Jorge posted during the weekend are largely correct. I just don't think that Leica would deviate all that much from the traditonal M styling. Why would they? Why change something that has worked well for over 50 years?
Jim Bielecki
Jim Bielecki
rvaubel
Well-known
Mark Norton said:
Once again, no one, including Leica, expects the RFF forum to "respect" someone elses NDA.
Once again,,, ITS SOMEONE ELSE'S NDA! :bang:
Jeesh!!
sorry for yelling
Rex
irees
Member
I've never seen such self "respect" for protecting a company's secrets, heh. The job of journalists IS to break through NDAs. Geez. Information wants to be free. It's the company's job to prevent leaks. There's no moral issue here, which half you people think seems to exist. Probably the same people who flipped out when the NSA wiretapping program was disclosed, blaming the press for "letting the terrorists win."
Damn the NDAs, full speed ahead!
Damn the NDAs, full speed ahead!
sf
Veteran
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jorge Torralba
Finder,
"the thread with the picture was viewed 11,874 before I temprarily put the locks on it. I'm sure that it was viewd on other sites just as many times if not more. Out of all the numerous posts you were the only one I saw that had issues with the ethics of showing the camera.
Releasing photos like this to the public is the nature of the game. Nobody omplained about the Canon5D pictures floating around months before its release. If a camera manufacturer does not want pictures of their gear shown to the public than they would not make any available. regardless, I am done for now. I am waiting for some additional photos of other leica digital products which will be exciting to users. "
benefits of having your new product in the press (in images and reviews) long before its official release :
1. Build a drooling market. This is just like the smell of dinner before it's served. It gets the mouth to watering.
2. Watch how the market reacts to the images and comments - use this to devise a more accurate marketing strategy.
3. Watch for ideas on peripheral products such as cases, lenses, finders, whatever.
4. Understand the most interested markets - know where your best bets will be come release time.
Such leaks only serve to bolster the market readiness. They set the market up for buy-mode long before it would have been otherwise. This ensures that people will have done a great deal of thinking and talking before the release date and that they are likely to be in buyitnow mode sooner.
There are ZERO negative effects to early leaks of accurate inside information of the marketing variety. What you DON'T want are shots of failed prototypes or other innacurate pieces of information that might set a potential market on a less than positive path. You don't want people posting false images and reviews that might sway potential buyers into the arms of a competitor.
Once you have your product ready to go to market (at least to be photographed), you should make every effort to get word out ASAP - this just helps keep your customers on the line.
Originally Posted by Jorge Torralba
Finder,
"the thread with the picture was viewed 11,874 before I temprarily put the locks on it. I'm sure that it was viewd on other sites just as many times if not more. Out of all the numerous posts you were the only one I saw that had issues with the ethics of showing the camera.
Releasing photos like this to the public is the nature of the game. Nobody omplained about the Canon5D pictures floating around months before its release. If a camera manufacturer does not want pictures of their gear shown to the public than they would not make any available. regardless, I am done for now. I am waiting for some additional photos of other leica digital products which will be exciting to users. "
benefits of having your new product in the press (in images and reviews) long before its official release :
1. Build a drooling market. This is just like the smell of dinner before it's served. It gets the mouth to watering.
2. Watch how the market reacts to the images and comments - use this to devise a more accurate marketing strategy.
3. Watch for ideas on peripheral products such as cases, lenses, finders, whatever.
4. Understand the most interested markets - know where your best bets will be come release time.
Such leaks only serve to bolster the market readiness. They set the market up for buy-mode long before it would have been otherwise. This ensures that people will have done a great deal of thinking and talking before the release date and that they are likely to be in buyitnow mode sooner.
There are ZERO negative effects to early leaks of accurate inside information of the marketing variety. What you DON'T want are shots of failed prototypes or other innacurate pieces of information that might set a potential market on a less than positive path. You don't want people posting false images and reviews that might sway potential buyers into the arms of a competitor.
Once you have your product ready to go to market (at least to be photographed), you should make every effort to get word out ASAP - this just helps keep your customers on the line.
AndyPiper
Established
Jorge:
You MIGHT want to be a bit careful in quoting internal emails - companies HAVE sued news outlets successfully over that kind of breach. Cf .United Fruit vs. Cincinnati Enquirer 1998.
This from someone who a) has no problem with passing on "leaked" info - that's on the leakers head, but b) works for a large newspaper and follows the legal issues of journalism.
You MIGHT want to be a bit careful in quoting internal emails - companies HAVE sued news outlets successfully over that kind of breach. Cf .United Fruit vs. Cincinnati Enquirer 1998.
This from someone who a) has no problem with passing on "leaked" info - that's on the leakers head, but b) works for a large newspaper and follows the legal issues of journalism.
Mark Norton
Well-known
rvaubel said:
Presumably, Rex, if it was your IP which was being compromised, we'd never hear the end of the whining...
jan contermans
Newbie
M8 foto's fake for sure!
M8 foto's fake for sure!
The foto's of the M8 wich caused such a stirr a defenitely not real.
These fotos are for some time on a French Leica site;
http://www.summilux.net/m_system/m8.html
There it is stated that these foto's are not defetitive.
A pity, because a think it is a real prtty "weniger is mehr" design.
M8 foto's fake for sure!
The foto's of the M8 wich caused such a stirr a defenitely not real.
These fotos are for some time on a French Leica site;
http://www.summilux.net/m_system/m8.html
There it is stated that these foto's are not defetitive.
A pity, because a think it is a real prtty "weniger is mehr" design.
Ben Z
Veteran
shutterflower said:
And to increase the # of hits on websites that purport to have exclusive inside dope
Leica said officially that the M8 won't be a radical departure from the M7, so any photo that looks like an M7 with some digital cues could be the M8. Or it could be a photoshop mockup. Either way, if you're like me, how the M8 will look is a whole lot less interesting than how it will perform.
herbkell@shaw.c
Peter Kelly
Ben Z said:And to increase the # of hits on websites that purport to have exclusive inside dope
that's the first bit of sense I have heard on this topic for a while.
The rhetoric on this issue is amazing - a lot of self righteous people getting steamed up about a photograph of a new camera.
I for one am committed to taking more photographs in the next couple of weeks. That way the time will go quicker and we will all see the real thing at the appropriate time.
Mark,
You are really hung up on this lens coding thing. Are you the one that has Christian looking into patent issues with the recoding of the lenses? I can asure you there is no violation there. But if it has to go to court I will not do it because of the costs.
Regardless, this M8 issue should be no surprise to the internet. Everyone asks what it will look like, what will be this what will be that. The moment they get the info then they are in an uproar. Howmany times did you or the others that dont like the M8 pictures on the web actually look at it? If anyone does not like seeing the picture or the concept of revealing a photo that is anxiously awaited then don't bother looking at it. The title of the Thread is good enough to make anyone who does notwant to see it ignore it.
Would you like to see the other digital cameras coming out? I can post that too if you like.
You are really hung up on this lens coding thing. Are you the one that has Christian looking into patent issues with the recoding of the lenses? I can asure you there is no violation there. But if it has to go to court I will not do it because of the costs.
Regardless, this M8 issue should be no surprise to the internet. Everyone asks what it will look like, what will be this what will be that. The moment they get the info then they are in an uproar. Howmany times did you or the others that dont like the M8 pictures on the web actually look at it? If anyone does not like seeing the picture or the concept of revealing a photo that is anxiously awaited then don't bother looking at it. The title of the Thread is good enough to make anyone who does notwant to see it ignore it.
Would you like to see the other digital cameras coming out? I can post that too if you like.