CMur12
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i found this elsewhere on the net (see, it's not just us)...it's one answer to the question...which version of the fuji lens folks preferred?...
...F2 for photographers and 1.4 for artist...
I'd say that's a rather shallow definition of art.
- Murray
Contarama
Well-known
Pornography and pornographers. I know it when I see it.
Tompas
Wannabe Künstler
(...) ...F2 for photographers and 1.4 for artist...
For the bokeh artist, maybe.
Ranchu
Veteran
I found myself somewhat unsatisfied with Peter Wijninga's youtube link, Martin Parr seeed a bit formulaic to me, but I didn't feel comfortable criticizing it with out offering something else. So I looked around youtube, I quite liked this lady's forward moving approach. It's not what I do, but I think it's good in that it directly focuses the artiste's mind on the art, invests them in working, and gives them a personal history of ideas. I stopped watching about half way through, you get the idea..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwicQal3hgA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwicQal3hgA
...F2 for photographers and 1.4 for artist...
Jeez, people really are obsessed with shooting wide open these days.
PKR
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Jeez, people really are obsessed with shooting wide open these days.
It's bokeh mania!
The marketing people keep this going with good results on their end. Tell me you haven't seen a really horrible portrait posted on some web site.. because the BOKEH is SOOO Wonderful?
Forget the portrait subject.. its the outa focus background that's "the picture".
With digital cameras and ISO amplification, the only advantage to faster lenses is ease of manual focusing. But, with AF and digital assisted manual focus.... it's all about bokeh..
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It's bokeh mania!
The marketing people keep this going with good results on their end. Tell me you haven't seen a really horrible portrait posted on some web site.. because the BOKEH is SOOO Wonderful?
Forget the portrait subject.. its the outa focus background that's "the picture".
With digital cameras and ISO amplification, the only advantage to faster lenses is ease of manual focusing. But, with AF and digital assisted manual focus.... it's all about bokeh..
head to nail...ouch!
dead on!
Tell me you haven't seen a really horrible portrait posted on some web site.. because the BOKEH is SOOO Wonderful?
Forget the portrait subject.. its the outa focus background that's "the picture".
Of course, but I've seen worse. I've seen photos of Bokeh only (no other subject) used as major decorations at banks and stores. They decorate their stores or offices with photos that are essentially colorful bokeh and lens deficiencies.
PKR
Veteran
Of course, but I've seen worse. I've seen photos of Bokeh only (no other subject) used as major decorations at banks and stores. They decorate their stores or offices with photos that are essentially colorful bokeh and lens deficiencies.
Wall paper, gift wrapping paper.. a clothing pattern for hep raincoats?
Jake Mongey
Well-known
I dont really care. You can take a good image, you can take a bad image. You can shoot a series of images that you look at and think "these are just snapshots grouped together". Honestly most things are only art in hindsight I study an arts course but I just take snapshots and just have to piece them together under the illusion of a meaning.
I just like taking and talking about photos
I just like taking and talking about photos
PKR
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One of the best classes I had in college was Art History. It did more for my photography than the couple of photo classes offered by the school I attended. The public, and often patrons and academics decide, what's art and what's not. Unless you take the Jeff Koons path (art by formula), you have to be you. Nothing short of that. Pollack said "The best painters paint themselves". You can't worry about "art". Concentrate on learning to know what you like and don't like, for whatever reason. And, make stuff you like. You can't worry about approval unless doing paid work. Then someone other than you has a right to input and decision.
I think the most important thing I've learned is what I like and why. It gives me direction. It helps me decide about light, subject, weather, light modifiers, project specific film or digital.. all that. I know I like tomatoes on my fish sandwich. Look at a lot of art. If you can't go to galleries and museums. The web is full of good art. Art sites aren't like photo sites..no one is uploading 3000 paintings of their vacation.
Vermeer knew a lot about light, if that's any help..
pkr
I dont really care. You can take a good image, you can take a bad image. You can shoot a series of images that you look at and think "these are just snapshots grouped together". Honestly most things are only art in hindsight I study an arts course but I just take snapshots and just have to piece them together under the illusion of a meaning.
I just like taking and talking about photos
One of the best classes I had in college was Art History. It did more for my photography than the couple of photo classes offered by the school I attended. The public, and often patrons and academics decide, what's art and what's not. Unless you take the Jeff Koons path (art by formula), you have to be you. Nothing short of that. Pollack said "The best painters paint themselves". You can't worry about "art". Concentrate on learning to know what you like and don't like, for whatever reason. And, make stuff you like. You can't worry about approval unless doing paid work. Then someone other than you has a right to input and decision.
I think the most important thing I've learned is what I like and why. It gives me direction. It helps me decide about light, subject, weather, light modifiers, project specific film or digital.. all that. I know I like tomatoes on my fish sandwich. Look at a lot of art. If you can't go to galleries and museums. The web is full of good art. Art sites aren't like photo sites..no one is uploading 3000 paintings of their vacation.
Vermeer knew a lot about light, if that's any help..
pkr
Jake Mongey
Well-known
One of the best classes I had in college was Art History. It did more for my photography than the couple of photo classes offered by the school I attended. The public, and often patrons and academics decide, what's art and what's not. Unless you take the Jeff Koons path (art by formula), you have to be you. Nothing short of that. Pollack said "The best painters paint themselves". You can't worry about "art". Concentrate on learning to know what you like and don't like, for whatever reason. And, make stuff you like. You can't worry about approval unless doing paid work. Then someone other than you has a right to input and decision.
I think the most important thing I've learned is what I like and why. It gives me direction. It helps me decide about light, subject, weather, light modifiers, project specific film or digital.. all that. I know I like tomatoes on my fish sandwich. Look at a lot of art. If you can't go to galleries and museums. The web is full of hood art. Art sites aren't like photo sites..no one is uploading 3000 pictures of their vacation.
Vermeer knew a lot about light, if that's any help..
pkr
I have a fantastic teacher at college who talks art all day and everyone finds annoying but I love hearing it. I might take an art history class sometime as I think it could be useful. But in the meantime ill just keep doing whatever I want.
What I like changed very recently and ive gone a different direction in terms of my shooting technique and processing techniques and as such the photos I once liked have died on me. Its interesting noticing what I used to like is no longer inspiring me the same way
PKR
Veteran
I have a fantastic teacher at college who talks art all day and everyone finds annoying but I love hearing it. I might take an art history class sometime as I think it could be useful. But in the meantime ill just keep doing whatever I want.
What I like changed very recently and ive gone a different direction in terms of my shooting technique and processing techniques and as such the photos I once liked have died on me. Its interesting noticing what I used to like is no longer inspiring me the same way
If you're like me, that will happen for a while. Especially when exposed to something new. Over time the changes become more subtle. Seeing the Grand Canyon made a big impact on my use of color. I didn't take any photos there, didn't have the time, but seeing that color at the time of day I saw it is fixed in my mind. Same with horizons. I know what kind of horizons I like and in what kind of weather. It's a very long and fun path. I whish I had taken better notes at times. But luckily, I have a good visual memory.
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