New York August NYC Meet-Up

Calzone said:
MFM,

I don't remember much. Your question provoked me to think about what impurities do and the ionic actions they promote.

Seems like my best subject was being weird back then. Some of my nicknames back in high school were Doctor, Professor and even Spock.

When I went to college that's when I found myself. Pretty much a liberal arts major with my concentration in the visual arts.

Who would think that my journalism degree that I got later would help me make a killing in the stock market because I could connect the dots, see patterns, and create a story.

With your question I wasn't really sure of the answer until I did the test, then I remembered.

Also know that I gave 4 gallons of this 18.2 meg water to Landrew. I never did a controlled test, but his results will confirm I think that the water makes a difference.

Kinda funny is that they say that NYC water is the secrete ingredient to why Bagels are not the same elsewhere.

Cal
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I've wondered for many years what would happen if you used "heavy water" (H3O) to process film. Since it's very expensive, I doubt I'll ever find out!
 
MrFujicaman said:
I've wondered for many years what would happen if you used "heavy water" (H3O) to process film. Since it's very expensive, I doubt I'll ever find out!
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MFM,

I never took a test but somehow I'm "licensed" and approved to order "enriched" water. We use 98% enriched water that has an extra neutron. This extra neutron is replaced by a proton when we bombard the enriched water to make 18F (a radioactive isotope of Florine).

This is what I do, basically I change the "Atomic Weight" to make unstable atoms that are radioactive.

Pretty much the same physics that are used in an electric motor are used by the cyclotron: alternating magnetic fields; and timing. The only difference is that instead of spinning an armature we spin charged particals in a vacuum.

Know that there are only about 1K cyclotrons in the world according to a PhD I know from Brookhaven National Labs.

Cal
 
According to the Daily News the 18th cyclist death this year marks the largest amount of cyclist deaths since 2014. It so happens that in 2014 DeBlasio was Mayor, and in 2014 he instituted "Vision Zero" which I call "Zero Vision."

Yesterday I walked my three miles to work, and after work I walked over a hundred blocks home from the Leica Store in SoHo. Since it was late I had a light dinner of 4 fried eggs and a bagle with smoked salmon with a heavy dose of purple onion.

Lately for fighting the gut, loosing weight, and promoting abs, I have been compressing my feed time to less than 12 hours. So for 12 hours I can eat, and for 12 hours I can't. Pretty much this type of diet is intermittent fasting. This for me eliminates late night snacking.

So it was a long sweaty walk, the kind I use to do with John. Interesting to note how like a steam bath this gets rid of a lot of salt and water weight. Pretty much lost 3 pounds, and it is not like I'm dehydrated.

So back on topic and photo related. I kinda had a micro Meet-Up at the Leica Store. Rene the Curator and Exhibit Co-ordinator was there, John K., the Leica Specialist for the SL and "S" cameras; Eli the President and owner, and a new employee Dustin.

So here is the smut and boy-talk: I noticed a Seven road bike tucked away by the bathroom. Know that Seven is a company that makes custom Titanium bikes, where each bike is a custom made bike. In conversation all the guys except John are avid cyclists. The Seven was Eli's bike.

Evidently John K. saw "Maggie's" Go Daddy commercial. There was talk about having a girlfriend being a celeb, and the hassles.

Maggie has a possible trip to Turkey. My worries is that she could be targeted for a kidnapping and for her safety. There are some places that make me worry. Looks like she will be going to London for their Fashion Week. I cool with that.

I found out that Rene for a long time was responsible for curating all those great shows at the Leica Gallery when it was on Broadway. Also some details about who is responsible for framing at the shows at the Leica Store in SoHo.

Pretty much found out that Rene only does 6 shows a year, and anymore it would require both more space to work in, and then it would be a full time job.

In conversation I brought up how Mike the Skinny Hipster got the Leica "S" kit and that his work is published in the current issues of Leica "S" magazine and is featured in LFI.

Cal
 
Calzone said:
MFM had asked me if the 18.2 Megaohm water I use for my chemistry has a PHof 7.0.

In my lab today I confirmed that it is in fact PH 7.0. with some litmus tape.

Makes sense that with no impurities that there are no positive or negative ions to make other than a PH of neutral.

Cal
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There are entire books written on the pH of water. The pH of water is only 7 in a theoretical vacuum. If you try to measure it using a pH meter the meter will never stabilize and constantly drift. If at all, the pH of your water is slightly acidic because of the carbonic acid made by carbon dioxide dissolving in it. I would say closer to pH 6 than 7.
Also it's funny that you are so fixated on pure water. NYC water has a TDS of around 50. The best in the entire country. Most of the commercial photographic chemistry is designed with the assumption of higher TDS. Just look at the concentration of the buffering systems that most developers use. The fact that you use high purity water or regular NYC tap water does not matter. Any dissolved ions that would shift the pH beyond what the developer is able to function at will not happen. It will be buffered. Using pure water probably matters more if you live in Flint MI. Not NYC, for photographic chemistry. That is unless you are using ALT processes like Pt/Pd printing
 
stompyq said:
There are entire books written on the pH of water. The pH of water is only 7 in a theoretical vacuum. If you try to measure it using a pH meter the meter will never stabilize and constantly drift. If at all, the pH of your water is slightly acidic because of the carbonic acid made by carbon dioxide dissolving in it. I would say closer to pH 6 than 7.
Also it's funny that you are so fixated on pure water. NYC water has a TDS of around 50. The best in the entire country. Most of the commercial photographic chemistry is designed with the assumption of higher TDS. Just look at the concentration of the buffering systems that most developers use. The fact that you use high purity water or regular NYC tap water does not matter. Any dissolved ions that would shift the pH beyond what the developer is able to function at will not happen. It will be buffered. Using pure water probably matters more if you live in Flint MI. Not NYC, for photographic chemistry. That is unless you are using ALT processes like Pt/Pd printing
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Pro-Mone,

Thanks for your response.

I will admit that I partially blame my good results on inane things. Perhaps this is one of them.

I am well aware that the water quality of NYC water is really great. Not so true for Long Island whee Cancer rates are really high. I have a friend who only uses Long Island tap water for bathing, and for everything els it is bottled water.

My actual litmus test was right out of the reverse osmosis system.

One observation though is that I get no water spots, even though I use no wetting agent.

Cal
 
stompyq said:
There are entire books written on the pH of water. The pH of water is only 7 in a theoretical vacuum. If you try to measure it using a pH meter the meter will never stabilize and constantly drift. If at all, the pH of your water is slightly acidic because of the carbonic acid made by carbon dioxide dissolving in it. I would say closer to pH 6 than 7.
Also it's funny that you are so fixated on pure water. NYC water has a TDS of around 50. The best in the entire country. Most of the commercial photographic chemistry is designed with the assumption of higher TDS. Just look at the concentration of the buffering systems that most developers use. The fact that you use high purity water or regular NYC tap water does not matter. Any dissolved ions that would shift the pH beyond what the developer is able to function at will not happen. It will be buffered. Using pure water probably matters more if you live in Flint MI. Not NYC, for photographic chemistry. That is unless you are using ALT processes like Pt/Pd printing
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And that's why the Bagels taste so good for!
 
I vacationed with my now dead friend Richie in a place called Belgrade Lakes Maine, which was about 80 miles from Agusta, Main the state capitol.

The in town was a general store that also was the Post Office, and a gas station. That's all folks. So evidently there were many people who lived there that never saw a non-white person before, and this little boy perhaps 4-5 years old yells to his mom all excited, "Look at that man."

Richie thought it was so funny, but I felt like E.T., like I came from another planet. You also have to imagine Richie in the mid seventies; he was a white boy who dressed himself as if he was "Superfly;" and realize that his parents were UBER conservative and very right wing Christians.

"Praise the Lord," they would say after every other sentence.

Sadly at my 40th year reunion I would later learn that Richie drank himself to death.

So the water in the lake was "soft" meaning it naturally had low mineral content. Richie and I soaped up and shampooed our hair on the swim platform and simply diving into the lake water removed all traces of soap upon contact/immersion.

So I believe it is this soft water effect influences my development chemistry. The water rinse with 30 seconds of constant aggitation I believe works as well as an acid stop bath.

I also did another Litmus test of NYC cold water after I let it run a bit. Just like Pro-Mone indicated the test tape recorded a Ph reading of 6 due to Carbonic Acid forming from contact with the air.

BTW In New Mexico there is high mineral content in the water. Dishes develop this white film over time that fogs clear glass like a haze.

Cal
 
We miss bagels and pizza down here in Philly. One would think that they could get it right but those two baked goods are awful here. We might as well be in Nebraska when it comes to pizza and bagels.
Phil Forrest
 
Phil_F_NM said:
We miss bagels and pizza down here in Philly. One would think that they could get it right but those two baked goods are awful here. We might as well be in Nebraska when it comes to pizza and bagels.
Phil Forrest
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Phil,

I remember in Santa Fe, no Pizza, no Chinese food, and no bagels.

I miss all the green chilies though.

Cal
 
A designer friend took us to a coffee shop in Seattle she deemed had the best coffee in the city.

Along the wall I recognized a reverse osmosis water system. Although I was warned that this water is not good for drinking, I was told by a technician who services these systems to try using this water for brewing coffee.

I never did this, but here it was in Seattle in this small coffee shop. I would say that the coffee was remarkably strong yet lacked bitterness. In three words: strong but smooth.

I could see drinking this coffee black, no milk or cream required.

Cal
 
So yesterday I gave an 8 foot roll of white vinyl backdrop to Mike the Skinny Hipster. If Mike didn't take it I would of recycled it to someone else as free for pickup.

So to make amends with Joe I'll be gifting him a signed copy of Clyde Butcher's book "Florida Landscape" which utilized 8x10 and larger cameras.

I looked through the book again. It seems that the clouds are a big part of the composition. The swamps are highly detailed and reveal a paradise of sorts.

No copyright date but the list of plates indicate the most recent shots are from 1989. This was a book I found on my walk to work in the middle of 97th Street after a few cars and trucks likely ran over the book. The spine is broken, but it still has the original book jacket. I found this not too far from where I found the Epiphone Les Paul case.

Interesting to note that they are shooting a film at Metropoliton Hospital which is a large public hospital about two blocks from my apartment. This is the place my Primary Care Physician said to go if we get shot or stabbed because they have a very experienced trauma unit.

So the takeaway from this book of landscapes is from an enviornmental standpoint. I am pretty sure that development has destroyed some of the places that Clyde photographed. He mentions how he is recording history and the body of work contributes hopefully towards preservation.

So riffing off all that I can see how all the redevelopment in NYC in say the past 12 years has been tearing down the old and building new. NYC surely is a changed envionment. Crowding, congestion, and pollution are worse as far as smog, but a hopeful sight is that the Hudson and New York Harbor are cleaner and mucho whale sightings have increased.

I reflect that I'm about as bad as "Maggie" as far as having way more "stuff" than I need. Even if I wear out a pair of shoes or sneakers in a month by wearing them every day (not the best) I have about 4 years worth of footwear to use.

A magic number seems to be thirteen. I have 13 cameras, while on one hand I can justify each one one them, it is difficult to use all of them, and I easily could do with less. I have 13 guitars and bass'es... four bikes... about 8-9 guitar amps...

Cal
 
What they did in Woodstock you just can't do it today. different time, different
reason's brought all these people together plus I don't think money was a big
thing in this, they wanted to do this thing.
 
Calzone said:
A magic number seems to be thirteen. I have 13 cameras, while on one hand I can justify each one one them, it is difficult to use all of them, and I easily could do with less. I have 13 guitars and bass'es... four bikes... about 8-9 guitar amps...
Cal
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Well Cal you made me count my bikes in my head, and I think I have your magic number of bikes (13). And forget about counting cameras...

Joe
 
Joe,

Pretty much got a free "E" ticket ride in a Mini Cooper "S" yesterday going to a 200 acre preserve in Westchester for a shoot.

The name "Mike the Wack Job" fits well. Mike kinda drives a Mini Cooper like he rides his track bikes. Know that one of his carbon track bikes is getting repaired as he kinda rear ended a car; the glued in carbon blades had to be reglued and refinished.

Likely wore my teeth a lot as a passenger.

BTW I'm not impressed by the engineering of the Mini. Also know that the ride is too low for NYC bad roads. To easy to bottom the suspension. Not the most durable car either.

Mike's track record is about one accident per year. That time he went out riding on 9W or River Road doing 49.5 MPH clipped to the peddles when his newly set up bike began to oscillate could have been deadly.

Later I suggested that he has to move his seat back a bit to prevent the unstability.

Earlier he got hit by a mail truck in a hit and run. His chromed Pinatero was able to be cold set and realigned. The rear triangle got tweaked. I think he had to build a new rear wheel.

Cal
 
Sadly I will be "Woodstock 3" at the August Meet-Up. Woodstock 3's new location is now a beer garden in Astoria.

Woodstock 50 officially has been cancelled.

Call me stubborn. "The show must go on," I say. LOL.

I'll wear my hair down. Comes pretty close to my nipples. I'll bring a brush and perhaps I'll do my version of Lawn-Guy-Land big hair.

I'll be bringing the Leica Compendium and Joe's Clyde Butcher book.

Interesting to see how beautiful prints elevate images into art. I wonder how many photographers have never seen good printing.

Cal
 
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