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Andy you've got some fantastic advice here and I'd go along with using a chromogenic, I've used XP2 and also Kodak T400CN (the forerunner of the current BW400CN) and both are good.

About a year ago I decided to try regular B&W film and after quite a bit of experimentation I'm now using Fuji B&W film and nothing else and getting it developed by a lab in XTOL. I really like the look I'm getting from this combo. Click on my gallery link below to see for yourself. Most of the film there is Neopan 400, Neopan 1600, or Acros 100. I recommend them all highly to you, especially if souped in XTOL.

 
Here's an easy starting point for "what film": Ask your lab what they suggest! Although pro labs will usually develop almost any film you bring them, most have their developing lines set up for one manufacturer or another, and will have more experience with that manufacturer's film. If you choose a film with which they have a lot of experience, they'll be able to be of more help to you in identifying what went wrong with "problem" rolls and suggesting ways to improve the technical quality of your results.

I will be the dissenting voice against XP2 in particular and chromogenic b&w films in general. There's nothing wrong with them (other than the fact that they're scratch-prone) and I use them occasionally, but I think you'll learn more by starting out with a 400-speed silver-based film such as Kodak Tri-X or Ilford HP5. These are versatile films, usable under a wide range of conditions, forgiving of minor errors, and capable of first-class results.

Having decided on a film, ask the lab to 'process and contact' it -- process the film and make a contact sheet that shows all 36 frames on one sheet of printing paper. Buy a good magnifier and use it to study your contact sheets. You will learn a LOT this way, and it's much less expensive than having proof prints made of all the frames. You can pick the most promising frames, mark them with a grease pencil, and then have the lab make prints of ONLY those frames. This is a very traditional way to shoot and edit film, but it's extremely well-developed and works really well.

As for paper choice, again, I'd go with the brand and type that the lab likes. Again, this will help them help you if you run into problems or want a different look than what you're getting.

Papers differ a lot in how they behave for the person making the print -- but if you're not that person, all you really need to worry about are the paper surface (glossy, luster, matte) and tone rendition (different 'black and white' papers have slightly different tinges of color, and you'll probably find you prefer one over another.) Ask to see some sample prints and pick what looks good to you.

Starting out this way will let you begin from a well-tested baseline, so you can concentrate on learning the basics rather than trying to figure out what went wrong with an experimental procedure. Once you've got the baseline performing reliably, you'll have a foundation from which to explore other options.

Good luck and have fun!
 
Ilford Multigrade RC in pearl finish seems to be most people's paper of choice, and for a reason: it's strikingly beautiful and very versatile. I've also seen some really stunning shots printed on Agfa fiber paper, but I've not used it.

The warmtone variant of the ilford paper mentioned above demands a slightly higher premium, but imparts a wonderful tone to your print by way of a slightly creamy off-white paper base. It's like taking your b&w image in photoshop and adding a solid color overlay (HSB 40, 6, 50). And that's before toning.

Just like film, everybody can chime in here, but the above are the ones I personally enjoy.
 
OK, then let me chime in...

Ilford MGIV is my least favorite paper - it somehow compresses the lights (I've heard that it does this on purpose, tailored for the Delta films that barely have a shoulder), and maximum density is lower than with other papers.
My favorite is Agfa Multicontrast - really rich, deep blacks, and brilliant, open highlights. Forte Polywarmtone is my other favorite, almost as good as the Agfa, very responsive to toning techniques, just bathc consistency is rather bad (meaning, aou'll have adjust your printing time when getting paper from a new batch).
Fomatone MG is my favorite for lith printing, and Fomaspeed Variant is my work-print paper - it gives very good results, maybe a bit less brilliant than the Agfa (closer to Ilford), and the paper base is thinner; it is also very affordable.

Roman
 
Dear JLW,

Why will you learn more from a traditional film than a chromogenic? Not being combative: just wondering.

Inciodentally, I MUCH prefer MG WT to MG IV, but ANY paper (except Slavich) is better than Kodak's -- which Kodak has just tacitly accepted.

Cheers,

Roger
 
Roger Hicks said:
Dear JLW,

Why will you learn more from a traditional film than a chromogenic? Not being combative: just wondering.

Because once you've learned what a 'normal' negative looks like (via the pro lab's processing) you can learn to develop it yourself with very little difficulty or investment. This will let you experiment easily with EI ratings, developers, and developing times, to optimize your process to the results you like. C-41 processing is less flexible and makes DIY experimentation more difficult.

Incidentally, I MUCH prefer MG WT to MG IV, but ANY paper (except Slavich) is better than Kodak's -- which Kodak has just tacitly accepted.

The best paper is the one that makes it easiest to get the kind of print you prefer. I was always able to get better results from Kodak's VC papers than from Ilford's, because Kodak's contrast spacing was a better fit to my negatives. I also prefer the hue of Kodak's VC emulsion to Ilford's, which looks slightly greenish to me.

And some of the more exotic Kodak papers were wonderful, such as the special-order warm-base fiber VC (had a special P-number code, which I can't remember at the moment). It looked a lot like a variable-contrast version of Portriga-Rapid.

I really liked this particular paper, but toward the end it became so difficult to get (my dealer said Kodak told him it was made only in small batches when there was free time on the production line) that I had to give up on it. I didn't want to risk starting a run of prints and then having to finish them on something else that wouldn't match, which is what used to happen to me during my Portriga-Rapid days when it would occasionally disappear mysteriously from the US market.

I don't think that Kodak was "accepting" anything when they got out of the paper business, except that it no longer yields high enough volume to make business sense for them. The former CEO of a company where I once worked used to say that "there are some products that are more profitable to let your competitors make," and I think Kodak found out that for them, b&w paper was one of those products.
 
Dear JLW,

You are a bit more optimistic about pro labs than I! But IF they get it right, I can certainly see your argument.

As for papers, you are of course absolutely right that the paper that suits you is the one that suits you -- but as Ilford had some 60 per cent of the B+W market I'll plead that the weight of public opinion (far from a reliable guide, I'll grant you) is on my side.

Cheers,

Roger
 
Nah, Plus-X at 400 - but only if your willing to dunk it in Diafine... 😀 To me, that's the easiest bit there is. Pure yummy.

William
 
thanks again to all. Camera's arrived and lens should be here in a few days so will go out experimenting.

One thing on using the film at a lower ISO than spec - if i'm using Sunny 16 as a guide, what should I use as the basis, the actual ISO (i.e. 400) or the one I've got set (i.e 250)?
 
You use the EI that you're shooting at for that. The actual ISO of the film isn't what matters at that point. If, for example, you're using Tri-X of ISO400 at an Exposure Index (EI) of 200, then your sunny 16 is f16 @ 200th or 250th (depending on your shutter). Much more info here: www.fredparker.com/ultexp1.htm

Hope this helps,

William
 
I usually shoot XP2 when I am shooting black and white, but recently I have been using Konica Monochrome VX 400 because Porter's was selling boxes of 20 rolls at a ridiculously low price. It is a C 41 film and I'm happy with the results.

Dick
 
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