B&W Inkjet Printing

[dcsang]

No problem sir ... I'll disect any technical mumbo-jumbo and jibber-jabber to get the real information for the cause!!!

Seriously though, those guys over at the yahoo groups kind of scare me ... all in to wax coating and velvet

heh.. every "hobby" (or obsession depending on how you look at it 😀) has its "ultra tweaky" group of folks.

No different from say, audiophiles or performance car fanatics.... there's always a set of folks that want to go just that much further when it comes to what they enjoy doing.. 🙂

Dave

 

[Benjamin Marks]

Alan: I ran a fade test on HP 9690 by hanging half of a print on HP Premium Plus outwards-facing in a north-facing window for several weeks last winter. The other half of the print was stored in a drawer. I did this with one print from Cone's original inkset and one print from the HP. Both showed considerable fading/warming, although some of the warming was due to warming of the HP paper base. The test was pretty harsh as I don't/wouldn't display a silver halide print in that way, but I expected better from products claiming acceptable results 75-100 years of Willhelm testing. I am hoping that the Epson K3 inks will do better. I am starting a similar test with Epson premium glossy and Costo/Kirland glossy this week.

 

[fgianni]

In the UK there is an Epson D88 available, does anyone know if it is the same as the C88 and if it can take MIS Inks (maybe same inks as the C86)?

Thanks

 

[anaanda]

Hello:

I can also recommend Epson with MIS inks for B&W printing.



http://www.inksupply.com/bwpage.cfm


Yours
Frank

I do all my printing with MIS inks on a C86 Epson. The only drawback is that you can't print wider than 8.5 inches otherwise the prints are excellent.
Buy refill kit with bulk ink. It's about 1/10 the cost of buying the cartridges..

 

[Steve Litt]

No the D88 uses different cartridges and isnt compatable with MIS inks.
Sorry!
regards

Steve

 

[kaiyen]

Ben,
Now that I'm quasi-settled in my new place, I'll run some similarly rigirous (perhaps unrealistically rigorous) tests, too. Why not, right? gotta keep the printer going now and then.

allan

 

[kaiyen]

John,
the reason why I don't personally mention that mailing list is that it's an almost overwhelming amount of technical information about printing that it's not a great starting point, IMO.

allan

 

[fgianni]

No the D88 uses different cartridges and isnt compatable with MIS inks.
Sorry!
regards

Steve

🙁

Is there a current and reasonably cheap printer that takes MIS inks? (I don't want to spend a lot of money on the R2400 if there is a cheaper way to get comparable results)

Thanks

 

[fgianni]

Actually since Lyson stuff seems more easily sourced here in the UK, is there any reason to prefer MIS to Lyson stuff?

 

[dcsang]

🙁

Is there a current and reasonably cheap printer that takes MIS inks? (I don't want to spend a lot of money on the R2400 if there is a cheaper way to get comparable results)

Thanks

Francesco..

I read about this as well (the Epson C88 over here in the US/Canada) and did a search on it - apparently you can still use the C86 inks without having issue with the Epson C88/D88.

Here's a link:
http://www.fixyourownprinter.com/forums/printer/39597

Scroll down to the info by "websnail" regarding the D88.

Cheers
Dave

 

[amateriat]

I must admit I am waiting till HP's new 13x19 pigment printer comes out in September before deciding between Epson and HP at that size. The HP is supposed to be better in size of ink cart and ink use.John

The B9180 is a curious design, sort of a "factory edition" of a 13x19 printer with added CFS feed. I'll be taking a look at this one, but my only quibble with it is that, just as Canon has done with its new crop of printers, they've sacrificed a third black/grey channel for having both glossy- and matte-paper-compatible inks on-board simultaneously. Epson took a fair amount of heat for choosing having a third black/grey ink channel over and making one have to change out black carts when switching from glossy to matte paper (which does result in a serious waste in ink with the larger-format printers), but I think they made the right call; I only stuck to matte-paper printing because semi-gloss and glossy papers at the time was a nightmare. Once I was able to print properly with these papers, I dropped matte like the proverbial hot potato. Three black/grey channels is what you get with both the current Epsons and HP's 8750, the printer I currently use.


- Barrett

 

[fgianni]

Anyone tried the combo R220 + MIS inks?
The R220 is easily available, and if the results are as good (and it is as easy to use) as the C86 + MIS I may go down that route.
Things are a bit unclear about the D88, someone says that there is no problem, someone else says the catridges are not compatible with the ones for the C86.

Thanks

 

[Steve Litt]

Things are a bit unclear about the D88, someone says that there is no problem, someone else says the catridges are not compatible with the ones for the C86

When my original C86 died and I couldnt get a replacement.I researched if I could find an alternative that would be compatable with my MIS CFS system.
The C86 had been replaced with the D88.So I went to PC world and the guy there let me see the cartridges it used.The C86 uses T0441 T0452 T0442 T0443 whilst the D88 uses T0611 T0612 T0613 T0614.It may be possible to obtain refillable carts and use MIS inks in the D88 that way but no mention of compatabilty is made by MIS.I got a refurb off E/bay.This is my experience in the UK.Maybe USA C88s are suitable- if they are and can be found I would be most interested.

Regards
Steve.

 

[oscroft]

Well, I was in Staples (a UK office equipment store) the other day and saw the Epson R220 on sale for £69, and I couldn't resist it. And I've ordered some MIS inks too.

So, all I really want to say is thanks to your all for the information and your advice.

Cheers,

 

[jwcat]

Alan, if you have not done so yet, check out Clayton Jones' web site. It is very informative and he has a few methods to get your feet wet without much complication. There is also a man named Paul Roark who designs some of the inks for MIS. Paul leans more to the scientific approach. Paul and Clayton post a lot on
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/. There is information on there for all levels, just like RFF.

http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

John

 

[jmilkins]

heh.. every "hobby" (or obsession depending on how you look at it 😀) has its "ultra tweaky" group of folks.

No different from say, audiophiles or performance car fanatics.... there's always a set of folks that want to go just that much further when it comes to what they enjoy doing.. 🙂

Dave

...and no different from a bunch of RFF members comparing 19 50mm lenses heh?😉 (a thread I enjoyed BTW).
FWIW I've been pretty happy with a basic approach so far using an HP 8450, but I'm just a newbie.

One thing I'd say is that at least for personal prints, one can alway reprint the image if it fades ... though of course that's no help if you're selling/giving away prints...

 

[fgianni]

Thanks to the advice received here and at the yahoo forum I have gone down the route of an Epson 220 + MIS inks, thanks a lot guys for all your help.

Cheers

 

[Socke]

Francesco, could you report your experiences with this combo? I might get back into home B/W printing if it's not as expensive as the Epson/Lyson combo where I wasted most of the ink cleaning the nozzles.

 

[espressogeek]

I bought the hp 8450 for around 100 dollars new shipped to my door off ebay. It does take the BW carts for the 8750 reducing the cost per print. My prints off this printer have gotten several postive remarks from old school B&W folks when printed on cheapie semi-gloss to HP premium gloss. I also have some ilford gallery paper waiting to be printed as well.
In other words, I dont think you can go wrong with this thing.

 

[oscroft]

Alan, if you have not done so yet, check out Clayton Jones' web site. It is very informative and he has a few methods to get your feet wet without much complication. There is also a man named Paul Roark who designs some of the inks for MIS. Paul leans more to the scientific approach. Paul and Clayton post a lot on
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digita...WhiteThePrint/. There is information on there for all levels, just like RFF.
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
John

Hi John,

I hadn't checked those out yet - thanks for the links. It does look like there's lots of interesting stuff there, so I've marked them and will spend some time reading.

Cheers,