ray*j*gun
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I am in an ongoing debate with a fellow M8 user about the better way to shoot B&W with the M8. I have always shot RAW then converted the file to B&W in PP. My friend claims his files are just as good using the B&W JPEG selection from the menu. I confess I dont see much difference but would like some opinions from the members.
Thanks!!
Thanks!!
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Kent
Finally at home...
I agree. The b&w photos which come directly out of cam are excellent with the M8. Some of the best I have seen.
jarski
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M8 out of camera jpegs are nice but 1. "better jpeg" is subjective 2. computer offers many different options for processing 3. and also other variables such as exposure can be corrected better from raw.
M8 BW jpegs are bad.
Converted raw is better because you have more BITs to play with
All in all, pretty lousy BW images nonetheless.
I come from a pro background with a solid BW film experience.
The only satisfactory digital BW files come from a good program. Definitely not from a particular camera (ala M8)
Converted raw is better because you have more BITs to play with
All in all, pretty lousy BW images nonetheless.
I come from a pro background with a solid BW film experience.
The only satisfactory digital BW files come from a good program. Definitely not from a particular camera (ala M8)
_goodtimez
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I will be shooting a wedding tomorrow with my M8.2.
I am taking along a 28 V3, 35 Lux Asph (non-FLE), Elmar 2.8 newest and the Elmarit 90.
I will be shooting both RAW and JPEG.
My wife is shooting in parallel with her Nikon D3S and a couple nice lenses, including the 24 2.8 AF, 35 2.0 AF and 85 1.8 AF.
We'll see.
I am taking along a 28 V3, 35 Lux Asph (non-FLE), Elmar 2.8 newest and the Elmarit 90.
I will be shooting both RAW and JPEG.
My wife is shooting in parallel with her Nikon D3S and a couple nice lenses, including the 24 2.8 AF, 35 2.0 AF and 85 1.8 AF.
We'll see.
ray*j*gun
Veteran
Will be interested in the results of the wedding shoot.
Thanks
Thanks
mrmeadows
Established
jpegs always have artifacts that degrade the IQ
--- Mike
--- Mike
Range-rover
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BLKRCAT
75% Film
finally someone who gets it. Funny that for so many people who shoot digital no one really understands that with a high bit depth file you can pretty much do anything. The color information is there its just how you tweak it.
Kent
Finally at home...
Of course, you will always have more options if you shoot in RAW, but if you compare M8 b/w with many other b/w ooc shots, the M8 still shines. You just need to use your favourite settings.
Gid
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ray*j*gun
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Kent ... didn't you read Ned's post, the camera doesn't matter its all about the software in you laptop.
I agree that RAW (Non-Sony lossy type anyway) will give more data to work with but I was trying to get some first hand info on the M8 in particular B&W JPEG vs RAW conversion to B&W. I guess I should have qualified my question to include that the conversion would be with a solid program. I use Lightroom and get fine results.
Thank you all for your help.
Ray
I agree that RAW (Non-Sony lossy type anyway) will give more data to work with but I was trying to get some first hand info on the M8 in particular B&W JPEG vs RAW conversion to B&W. I guess I should have qualified my question to include that the conversion would be with a solid program. I use Lightroom and get fine results.
Thank you all for your help.
Ray
ray*j*gun
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Beautiful images Gid!!
jaapv
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Monochrom?
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I fancy the Jpegs out my camera...
I think "better" is subjective.
To a person like me who's only computer is a smartphone, the RAW debate goes downhill quickly. I still shoot RAW+Jpeg, frankly because maybe when I'm old(er) and immobilized, I might actually have time to spend on PP instead of shooting.
Hard enough lately to find time for even that!
Leica M8 jpegs still get attention, since most people have no idea what a raw file even is let alone how it plays into the photo they are looking at. I just treat my camera like any of my film cameras, sometimes you get a keeper, mostly its just me enjoying my camera.
I think "better" is subjective.
To a person like me who's only computer is a smartphone, the RAW debate goes downhill quickly. I still shoot RAW+Jpeg, frankly because maybe when I'm old(er) and immobilized, I might actually have time to spend on PP instead of shooting.
Hard enough lately to find time for even that!
Leica M8 jpegs still get attention, since most people have no idea what a raw file even is let alone how it plays into the photo they are looking at. I just treat my camera like any of my film cameras, sometimes you get a keeper, mostly its just me enjoying my camera.
ray*j*gun
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Thanks Devon. I am presently experimenting with the settings and so far at least on my M8 I think I will stick with RAW since the version of Lightroom I have can deal with those files well. I don't think I will do any upgrading however so the RAW in Nikon and Fuji will remain JPEG.
Mcary
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JMO but unless you're using a camera like the Monochrom that gives you RAW/DNG B&W files you're not shooting in B&W rather you're shooting in color and letting the camera produce a B&W JPEG from the RAW color file.
helvetica
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To me the advantage of shooting color and later post processing to B&W is the ability to do hue based adjustments - after the fact color filters. Additionally, if you are so inclined, you could do all manner of color based selection adjustments - such as chanel masking - and then do hue based contrast adjustments.
