B&W or Color?

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Jon Claremont
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RFF is about 90% B&W, 10% color. Why?

Self-processing?

Romanticism?

Purism?

I started out with B&W because that was all we had.

When I could change to color about 35 years ago I changed and never looked back.

My TV is color.
 
I shoot black and white with my rangefinders primarily because I "see" better in black and white, and secondarily because I can process it myself. Also, my M3 was my entree into being "serious" about photography, and I started out using it with black and white film (partly due to romanticism, partly because it seemed appropriate to use "old fashioned" film with an "old fashioned" camera) so I'm kind of stuck on black and white. However, I'm enjoying color more lately and trying to get better at making color photos. My dSLR has been helping me out with this.
 
I shoot color now because:
1. I have an apartment with no room for my darkroom.
2. I get 6 meg scans of my C41 color then convert to B&W when I want to, via PSE 5.0.
3. C41 B&W never really looks very good to me. Kinda washed over.
 
Color and B&W

Color and B&W

I began with a Kodak Starflash in the 1950's shooting Kodak color film and slides. Somewhere along the way I added b&w and shoot both about the same amount. Different subjects or differenct moods. It is autumn around here and the colors are great. After the leaves fall, b&w for structure and mood. Differeent strokes for ...
 
Sometimes I feel like the odd one out here, since I shoot almost exclusively color.

Jon Claremont said:
I started out with B&W because that was all we had.

I started out with B&W because it was what I could afford. It was really the cost of color printing that killed color for me back then. I really didn't want prints of everything, but I couldn't see enough on the color negatives to see which ones I wanted to have printed.

I started shooting color slides back then since I could easily see which ones were print-worthy.

When I could change to color about 35 years ago I changed and never looked back.

When I first became gainfully employed, which was about 30 years ago, I migrated to color print film. I've stayed that way ever since, mostly.
 
Richard Black said:
I began with a Kodak Starflash in the 1950's shooting Kodak color film and slides.

Wow, that was my first camera too, I was maybe 7-8 at the time.

B&W was all my allowance at the time would allow me. IIRC I had a choice of Verichrome Pan for 49 cents or Ansco All Weather Pan (whatever that really meant?) for 45 cents a roll.

I knew you could do slides with it, but I never did.
 
It's a very interesting question.

I started out (back in the late sixties) shooting black and white, mainly because it was all I could afford (I was at school, had a darkroom, could process my own cheaply, and there were no cheap mini-labs for colour processing then). But I was never that good at it - I just didn't see in b&w.

I converted to using colour transparency film in the seventies (Kodachrome 25 - wonderful), and pretty much stuck with it, and I ended up through the eighties and nineties travelling a lot around SE Asia and taking lots and lots of colour photos. This was all using SLRs. But I always envied b&w photographers - there always seemed to be more art, more emotion, in good b&w shots - but I just didn't see in b&w.

And then only recently, wowed by the idea of the new Cosina Voigtlander super-wide lenses (I always liked wides over the years, but could never afford wider than a 24) and by special deals from Robert White, I got a 15mm lens with a Bessa-L (followed not long after by a 21mm and another Bessa-L). I'd always had hankerings after rangefinder cameras - always eyed up the unaffordable Leicas whenever I saw them in duty-free shops - and with a Bessa-L I almost had one.

Then I discovered RFF and learned how good and cheap some of the old Soviet gear was, I got Russian GAS, and I now have five FSU bodies and a bunch of lenses. And it just seemed natural to try b&w in them, so I got some developing tanks and other bits cheap from eBay, and had a go. And I found to my amazement that I can do it - I can see in b&w now. I don't know how, but I suspect that during all thase years of careful composition I have to some extent mastered the concepts of line and form, and that is what I now see in the viewfinder - colour just isn't necessary any more.

I've just done a quick check, and four bodies have got b&w film in (2 FSU bodies, an Olympus OM2, and a Ricoh 500G), and only one has colour (an Olympus OM10 with print film for snapshots - it's been in it for months).

And I just love b&w now. Digital photo manipulation won't do, and no taking the colour out of colour shots, because it isn't the same - it just doesn't look the same as a proper silver emulsion developed properly and shot with a nice lens. Though curiously, I do think that scanning negatives can capture the quality of b&w, and produce results that manipulating colour shots cannot match.

In fact, only today I was scanning some shots I did with my Olympus 50mm f1.4 'silvernose' wide open (it's an old single coated lens that has a bit of a pale yellow cast, and which I bought specifically for b&w), and the tonal quality is beautiful - something that you just can't do in colour.

Now, when my Bessa-R with 35/2.5 arrives... 😀
 
I suspect you've got it backwards, Jon. I think B+W enthusiasts tend to use film because digital B+W still isn't comparable, whereas digital has truly obsoleted film for nearly all color use. How many B+W's do you see coming from the RD-1 crowd?
FWIW I fall into the B+W/ rangefinder category and will consider changing my ways when digital can produce good B+W's, when high resolution digital cameras with a simple user interface show up (the RD-1 is close) and when the cost becomes bearable to me.
 
When I first started, I shot nothing but colour. As I got more involved, I started to shoot almost 100% B&W for several reasons. It's cheaper and I can develop it myself. After using it awhile, I just like B&W better becasue of the flavor it adds to my pictures. Once in awhile, I wish I had colour film loaded instead.
 
I shoot almost exclusively black & white when I'm shooting for me. I basically only shoot color when I "have to," for an assignment or whatever. I see better in black and white. I find that when I'm shooting in color, it's easy for me to use pretty colors as a crutch, distracting me from the meat of what I'm trying to photograph. A big part of it is my preference for the old school, which I guess could seem surface level or arbitrary. But I do think there's something to be said for that aesthetic difference. For me, black and white captures mood (and other intangibles) better than color.
 
OK, I will answer for real,

B&W is just easier for me. Sure, if I shot color I wouldn't have to process the film and scan it, but to me, that gives me control, and more involvement in my hobby. I enjoy that.

I also see more now in B&W. This is very true when photographing people. I just like B&W better for that. I do miss color, particularly when traveling or at events were colors are part of the environment, and I think this is where digital will come in to play for me (when I get off my duff and actually buy a digital camera for myself).

Until then, I will do well with my B&W.
 
You create with black and white.
With colour you only copy what you see.
Overall it does depend on what is required to capture the subject as desired.
Remember the words of Walker Evans - ..." colour is vulgar "

Peter
 
Jon Claremont said:
RFF is about 90% B&W, 10% color. Why?

Self-processing?

Romanticism?

Purism?

I started out with B&W because that was all we had.

When I could change to color about 35 years ago I changed and never looked back.

My TV is color.

I prefer B&W because I find it easier to get the results I want - and it appears to have better contrast to me so it is easier to make a photo "pop" - and easier to push and pull process.

I use color film in the fall and when appropriate, but B&W is my preference most of the time.

And I only have a B&W TV..... 😱
 
Bryce said:
[...] How many B+W's do you see coming from the RD-1 crowd? [...]

I don't own one, and I don't personally know anyone with one, but the pictures I have seen on the web have all been B&W.

I will agree that MOST digicams shoot exclusively in colour.
 
I shoot virtually all the time in b&w with my R-D1, and the camera and Epson raw plugin have a b&W raw workflow which means I need never see these images in colour unless I specifically choose to. I usually find I'm thinking in b&w, so it's usually my preference.

Ian
 
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