Bessa R2 meter malfunction

Wiechel

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This last weekend I borrowed a NIB Bessa R2 to try it out.

I noticed something strange with it though. Whenever I went from 1/30 s to 1/15 s the meter displayed "-" instead of "+" even if I was on "+" already at 1/30 s. This was consistent for all shutter speeds slower than 1/30 s.

This isn't right, is it?

Has anyone else experienced anything like this?
 
Cloudy said:
I have experienced R2 meter/LED malfunction when I was using it under -20C for over 20 mins.
Hmm, OK, it's winter here but it really isn't THAT cold right now. The two days I used it it was around 0C, and the malfunction also happened indoors...
 
I seem to remember a tread a long time ago about the Bessa meter and strange behavior if you reach the low light limit of its sensitivity. It will taka some searching, but I am sure it is in our archives somewhere.
 
My R2 is behaving like that. 400 ASA, "+" LED lit, setting down the shutter speed, it goes to "-" for 1/2 s and 1 s speeds.
But I said to myself that I'll never use such slow speeds and considering that my first shoots were correctly exposed, I thought it wasn't that important. Anyway...
 
Thanks for the link to that old thread. It seems that everything is "in order". Because what we've done is hit the outer limits of what the meter can perform.

Here is the chart for it:
http://www.usfca.edu/~fraley/r2meter.html

And that's exactly spot on for me. 3200 down to 1/30 and then it doesn't work anymore. I was shooting 3200 film and tried to shoot it 1/15. That explains it!

Gelmir, this is probably the answer to your problem as well!
 
chug said:
Does this applie to the Bessa R? Or only just the R2?
All meters (including handheld meter) have the metering range, usually from EV1 - EV19/20, so this limitation should apply to Bessa R, R2, R2A and R3A also. 😉
 
Cloudy said:
All meters (including handheld meter) have the metering range, usually from EV1 - EV19/20, so this limitation should apply to Bessa R, R2, R2A and R3A also. 😉

With 'handheld meter' do you mean the CV clip-on meter? Because most 'better' handheld meters (Gossen, Sekonic, etc.) can go much lower (sometimes down to EV -4, like the Gossens with SBC cell). That's one reason why I usually carry one in low-light conditions, even with a metered camera...

Roman
 
Roman said:
With 'handheld meter' do you mean the CV clip-on meter? Because most 'better' handheld meters (Gossen, Sekonic, etc.) can go much lower (sometimes down to EV -4, like the Gossens with SBC cell). That's one reason why I usually carry one in low-light conditions, even with a metered camera...

Roman
Roman, I meant all meters have their metering ranges (limitations), most are from EV1 to EV19/20, of course, some top models may have 2 to 4 EV more. The reply from me before is not clear since my English is not good enough to explain. 🙂

Here is some info. I gathered for your reference.


VC-METER 2
metering range: EV1 to EV20
http://www.cosina.co.jp/seihin/voigt/acce/vc-meter/index.html

Minolta SpotMeter F (I have used Minolta SpotMerter F for over 10 years.)
metering range: EV1 to EV22.5

Pentax Digital Spotmeter
metering range: EV1 to EV20
http://www.calumetphoto.com/ctl?PAG...=PX4050&ac.cat.CatTree.detail=y&type=PRDINDEX

Flash Meter VI
Ambient light:
Incident light: EV -2.0 to 19.9
Reflected light (spot): EV 2.0 to 24.5
 
It's not the metering range that's the problem (for instance, ISO 3200, 1/15s, f/2 is still EV1), but rather the way the meter is mechanically coupled to the shutter speed dial. The Bessa L, R, and R2 are all designed this way -- I'm not sure about the R2a and R3a.
 
Bob_McBob said:
It's not the metering range that's the problem (for instance, ISO 3200, 1/15s, f/2 is still EV1), but rather the way the meter is mechanically coupled to the shutter speed dial.

That's true -- but just for the record (or for any newcomers reading) it doesn't mean that the meter would read in lower light if the mechanical coupling had been designed differently. The coupling is actually a designed-in feature to warn you when you get below the meter's inherent capabilities.

All meters have a low-light sensitivity limit -- once the number of photons hitting the meter cell falls below a certain threshold, the meter no longer provides accurate readings.

Some older meters that used simple circuitry just kept reading down below this accuracy threshold, so you might THINK you were getting accurate exposures in ridiculously low light even though you really weren't!

To prevent this, meters with more sophisticated circuitry incorporate a lockout that displays a warning when the light gets too low for accurate readings. On many camera meters, this is done via an electrical or mechanical coupling to the exposure controls: when you set a film speed/shutter speed combination that would require a reading below the meter's threshold, the meter disconnects.

At this point, someone who's been following this carefully is going to say, "But the meter disconnects at the same shutter speed, no matter whether I'm using an f/1.4 lens or an f/4 lens! If the problem is low light levels, why can't I keep going lower when I use a faster lens?" The reason is that with a stopped-down meter (like the ones in the Bessa RFs) the meter circuit has NO idea what kind of lens you have on the camera or what aperture you've set! The designers have to choose a cutoff number at which it's likely you'll exceed the meter's limits, regardless of what lens you're using.
 
I don't have a huge problem with the way the coupling is implemented on the R2 -- I rarely (if ever) use a shutter speed below 1/30s in general photography, if only because subject movement is a huge issue then. What annoys me is that there's no warning to indicate that the meter is out of its coupling range, it just starts behaving erratically. On every other metered camera I've used, there's a blinking warning that clearly indicates what the problem is.
 
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