Bessa Recommendations

I just got the silver R kit from CQ and like it. Grain of salt: this is my first RF camera, and I've only shot two rolls thus far. But it does feel solid -- more solid than I thought it would after reading the "well, it's not a Leica" reviews. CQ has pretty fast shipping, too, if you're hoping to have it before Xmas.
 
pcfranchina said:
I am looking to make a purchase..... Which model do you recommend? And what is a goos starter lens? Im not on a tight budget but Id like to stay in the $500 or so range. Is the R2 worth the extra? or go as low as the L?
Mostly be doin street and city type photography. Thanks in advance!

I am struggling with this too. only I am looking for a second body

my pro/con on the various bodies your milage may vary, anybody else want to add to my pro con, knock yourselves out

Bessa L
Pro:
1. Inexpensive, $99 for the body or $314 including a 25/4 wide angle
2. TTL metering
3. Good second body
4. Uses all the screw mount lenses
5. small package

Con:
1. No viewfinder/needs aux viewfinders
2. Cannot use bayonet mount lenses
3. limited lenses [past a 35mm is probably pushing useable size]

Bessa T
Pro:
1. Pro inexpensive [$185] bayonet mount camera body
2. TTL metering
3. good second body, ok for prime body
4. trigger winder available
5. can use all Voightlander lenses with adaptors
Con:
1. Needs aux viewfinders
2. separate viewfinder and rangefinder make a slower camera
3. Discontinued
4. hmm, things are looking good for a second body….

Bessa R
Pro:
1. Inexpensive $249 or $ 399 including a 35/2.5 lenses
2. uses all screw mount lenses [well not all the Russian ones  ]
3. adjustable frame lines 35mm 50mm 75mm 90mm
4. TTL metering
5. all mechanical camera

Con:
1. cannot use bayonet lenses, screw mount make for slow lens changes
2. all mechanical camera [if you want more expensive controls go to a R2A or R3A]
3. ok that covers my complaints about the R

Bessa R2
Pro:
1. Bayonet mount version of the R [but said to be more robust]
2. trigger winder available
3. all mechanical
4. metal instead of plastic body parts
5. olive color available, strong “splatter” paint finish
Con:
1. At $599 the most expensive Bessa available
2. discontinued
3. silver never available

Bessa R2A
Pro:
1. uses all Voightlander lenses with a adaptors as necessary
2. AE exposure with plus/minus two stops exposure compensation $539 black $579 grey is less than the R2
3. splatter finish
4. Excellent prime body choice
Con:
1. AE exposure control, IF you don’t want it then it is not worth it
2. .7 mag viewfinder [gotta put something]
3. Price, Get an R with the 35mm and almost have enough left for a 25/4
4. expensive as a back up body

Bessa R3A
Pro:
1. uses all Voightlander lenses with a adaptors as necessary
2. AE exposure with plus/minus two stops exposure compensation
3. $539 black $579 grey is less than the R2
4. splatter finish
5. same price as the 2A
6. 1:1 viewfinder. The R3A has the best finder ever for 50, 75, and 90 framelines amongst film cameras [per cameraquest]
Con:
1. AE exposure control
2. viewfinder lines are 40/50/75/90 instead of 35/50/75/90
3. again price IF you do not want the AE exposure control
4. expensive as backup body


So, as a first camera I personally would rate them as:

1st Bessa R2
2nd Bessa R
3rd Bessa T
4th Bessa L

R2A R3A are not in the running do to the AE control

the last two presume that they will go from prime to back up body at some point

OR if you prefer AE control
1st Bessa R3A
2nd Bessa R2A
3rd Bessa R2 or R tie, depending on desire for bayonet mount V. screw mount and depth of pockets 😀
4th Bessa T
5th Bessa L

All info and prBices come from Cameraquest

heavy sigh.... I am having a GAS attack for a back up body :bang: :bang: :bang:
 
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I own the Bessa-R with 35/2.5 and 15/4.5. I have been wanting to get the CV 25/4 for a few months. I also want to get a second body so I could shoot B&W and Color, or have fast and slow film loaded at the same time. So, for me, the L at $69 with the purchase of a lens (in my case a 25/4) is very tempting, especially since I mostly use wides.

Kevin
 
Dan/Dostacos made a very fine overview of the PROs and CONs for the various Bessa models, but forgot to mention the IMHO single most thrilling aspect of the T, and that's the 1.5x RF magnification. Makes focusing a breeze.. accurate enough for the longest and fastest lenses available..
 
Kudos for that review Dostacos ! 🙂 The only one I own is the T, and I admit I'm very happy with it as I realized that when using wide angles I didn't even use the finder many times, so it's a pretty robust and low profiled thing, yet affordable enough.

Yet, as Peter says, that 1.5x RF is a sweet thing to have when you're trying to focus a 50/1.2 or a tele lens wide open, this camera has given a new dimension to my 85/2 as well.
 
Well I did it. I made "The Purchase".
I got a black Bessa R3a and a 40mm f1.4 Nokton and the $1.00 case from photo village. Will start blasting through film asap. 😀
 
Happy Holidays to All!

2 quick questions:
-Is there any problem with putting a standard UV filter on the 40mm Noktonfir protection?
( i dont think so)

-Are there cheaper lenses out there with a M mount? FSU?


Thanks again!
 
pvdhaar said:
Dan/Dostacos made a very fine overview of the PROs and CONs for the various Bessa models, but forgot to mention the IMHO single most thrilling aspect of the T, and that's the 1.5x RF magnification. Makes focusing a breeze.. accurate enough for the longest and fastest lenses available..
and yet I am still CONFLICTED

R2 as prime costs more and I will need adapters
T as back up costs less BUT will still need adapters
R second prime costs less than the T with multiple adapters

leaning toward the R [in black?] my wife just told me she has gotten me NOTHING yet since I have not given her a list...hmm I got her ALL on her list and ADDED earings and matching pendant so hmmm.......
 
pcfranchina said:
Happy Holidays to All!

2 quick questions:
-Is there any problem with putting a standard UV filter on the 40mm Noktonfir protection?
( i dont think so)

-Are there cheaper lenses out there with a M mount? FSU?


Thanks again!
lots of filters won't go on AND allow the lens shade to thread on. you could use an after market lens shade [boo! 😀]

B+W filters do work BUT most of the peeps around here will say don't bother with the UV.

I got one but don't use it and have not used the Yellow either but it seemed like a good idea at the time :bang:
 
Dan,
I don't know if anyone ask this, but why is have an M-mount camera for back up that important. It looks like you have a bunch of 39mm lens mounts, so do you plan to switch to M-mount lenses in the future? I have had the same debate with myself, is that a confession or what, and I can't figure out why I would add a completely different line of lenses. My closet overfloweth!
 
I got a black Bessa R3a....
Another one bites the dust! (I just broke down too and ordered one from Cameraquest...the black one.) :bang:
 
I originally went to Photo Village just to check out the Bessa R. After reading how a lot of people did not like the construction of it figured I would check it out. It didnt feel that bad, it felt like many modern SLRs. Just not as good as it should be. The R3a was right next to it and after playing with it, it just felt better. Basicly spent double then what I wanted.
 
When I fondled an R3A, it looked and felt no different than my Nikon FM2nT; and my FM2nT is a pretty good camera, mirror slap and all.
 
Richard Black said:
Dan,
I don't know if anyone ask this, but why is have an M-mount camera for back up that important. It looks like you have a bunch of 39mm lens mounts, so do you plan to switch to M-mount lenses in the future? I have had the same debate with myself, is that a confession or what, and I can't figure out why I would add a completely different line of lenses. My closet overfloweth!
I am very pleased with the voightlanders BUT I don't like the threading on and off, I also do a lot of lens switching and they make some nice low light bayonet only lenses.

this morning I am leaning toward a T, this afternoon probably the R and tonight the R2 😀
 
I will add my own little preferences here; if you have the money for the M system, then go for it. If waiting for some extra cash sounds more realistic, I would not waste the $500 on a Bessa R. Get the Bessa T used for about $125, and spend the rest on two used lenses. Then you have an excellent rangefinder starter system at $500, and you have two lenses with it. Get the 25mm/4 used for about $125-$150 and then an adjusted J3 50mm/1.5 for $75 from Brian Sweeney (look him up on the Rangefinder Forum). With the rest, buy some film.
 
I own a Leica IIIf and was motivated to buy the Bessa R so I would have a second body that would allow me to share lenses. I would be able to shoot black and white and color. I was so taken with the performance of the Bessa that I have used the Leica only once in the four months since I made the purchase. That says it all.
Dan
 
danwilly said:
I own a Leica IIIf and was motivated to buy the Bessa R so I would have a second body that would allow me to share lenses. I would be able to shoot black and white and color. I was so taken with the performance of the Bessa that I have used the Leica only once in the four months since I made the purchase. That says it all.
Dan

I understand, I love my Bessa R but cannot decide if I should go with the Bayonet mount T/R2 or stay with another R.

downside of the R2 is the cost, the T is it is funky and I will need to get view finders
UP side is being able to get the voightlander 35/1.2, use the trigger winder

all afternoon I was thinking R and now I am back to thinking T $185 leaves $414 for buying the extra viewfinders [instead of the R2]
 
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