twopointeight
Well-known
Time to forget about finding 200 rolls of old Neopan 1600 stock and move on. But to what? Kodak 3200, Delta 3200, anything else out there? Developer combo? I'm not looking for a big push, but rather a nominal asa of about 800 to 1250. And a 120 version of the same film would be a bonus. That should do it.
shyoon
Well-known
Push Neopan 400 or Tri-X to 1600 and develop in XTOL 1:1. Works great - slightly grainier and more contrasty than Neopan 1600, but very close. I've heard TMAX 3200 is good too. Chris Crawford has some good examples of it shot at 1600.
andres4ndr3s
Member
Tri-x and rodinal (stand) is an option, this may help... http://www.feelingnegative.com/darkroom/rodinal-the-magic-elixir
I've never tried to push like that, but I usually stand develop and it works fine with kodak film.
I've never tried to push like that, but I usually stand develop and it works fine with kodak film.
Juan Valdenebro
Truth is beauty
For shooting at 1600 & 3200, the best film is Kodak P3200 in TMax developer: beautiful tone and sharp grain (not too big), but no MF version.
Ilford D3200 has bigger grain and lower contrast, so you can push it a bit more... If you want both formats, that's your only option for real high speed. DDX works very well.
But if you don't need more than 1600 (sometimes hard because of MF slowish lenses) best tone, grain and sharpness are given by TMax400 pushed in TMax developer. If you haven't tried them, you should... Amazing film, especially in that developer when pushed: I can't be there with my beloved Tri-X in Rodinal.
Cheers,
Juan
Ilford D3200 has bigger grain and lower contrast, so you can push it a bit more... If you want both formats, that's your only option for real high speed. DDX works very well.
But if you don't need more than 1600 (sometimes hard because of MF slowish lenses) best tone, grain and sharpness are given by TMax400 pushed in TMax developer. If you haven't tried them, you should... Amazing film, especially in that developer when pushed: I can't be there with my beloved Tri-X in Rodinal.
Cheers,
Juan
Colin Corneau
Colin Corneau
I'd seriously consider pushing TMY-2 or Neopan 400. You'd have the benefit of a terrific 400 speed film, also, but the results are very good.
I can't speak for TMax developer or XTOL (but have heard good things) but I like the shadow detail and overall quality of DD-X.
I'm normally a big fan of Ilford so I'd add HP5+ and Delta 400 to that list too.
I can't speak for TMax developer or XTOL (but have heard good things) but I like the shadow detail and overall quality of DD-X.
I'm normally a big fan of Ilford so I'd add HP5+ and Delta 400 to that list too.
Tim Gray
Well-known
TMY-2 and Tri-X (and probably a lot of other ISO 400 B&W films) will look pretty good at 800ish. Maybe even 1600.
On the other hand, if you want maximum shadow speed and don't mind a grain increase, T-Max or Delta 3200 is what you want in the 800+ range (in my mind). I think T-Max 3200 looks great at 1600. I also shoot it at 800 as well. It seems like most of the advice you see of EI 800 is to use a 400 speed film, but T-Max 3200 looks seriously good here. I use XTOL 1:1.
If you need 120 format too, then you are looking at Delta 3200 or pushing one of the 400 speed films.
On the other hand, if you want maximum shadow speed and don't mind a grain increase, T-Max or Delta 3200 is what you want in the 800+ range (in my mind). I think T-Max 3200 looks great at 1600. I also shoot it at 800 as well. It seems like most of the advice you see of EI 800 is to use a 400 speed film, but T-Max 3200 looks seriously good here. I use XTOL 1:1.
If you need 120 format too, then you are looking at Delta 3200 or pushing one of the 400 speed films.
bwcolor
Veteran
I shoot TMY-2 in TMax Developer regularly at EI: 800 and sometimes up to 1600, but honestly, high ISO is not what film does best. I think that low light photography is best handled digitally these days. May I be forgiven for such thoughts.
ChrisP
Grain Lover
If you want character than you can go hp5+ or Delta 3200 in D-76. Kind of a strange developer for speed but I like it. See my everything in my gallery (nothing is below 1600) for examples
Chriscrawfordphoto
Real Men Shoot Film.
Tmax 3200 or Delta 3200 in Tmax Developer.
Roger Hicks
Veteran
The OP says 'and up' and ISO 400 films are marginal at 1600, and worse at higher speeds.
Delta 3200 is fastest (and therefore less contrasty at a given speed, because it's not been pushed as much) and grainiest: the two go together. I prefer the tonality of Delta 3200 to that off TMZ but it's personal preference.
Cheers,
R.
Delta 3200 is fastest (and therefore less contrasty at a given speed, because it's not been pushed as much) and grainiest: the two go together. I prefer the tonality of Delta 3200 to that off TMZ but it's personal preference.
Cheers,
R.
Tim Gray
Well-known
Roger Hicks
Veteran
Dear Tim,The original poster also says
Who knows what he actually wants
True enough, but I took it to mean 'a true ISO of 800 to 1250' that could then be pushed to EI 1600 or above.
Cripple TMZ or Delta 3200 by processing it in Rodinal and you'll probably get a true ISO of 800 or below: use Ilford DD-X or Microphen and the true ISOs are about 1000 (TMZ) and 1250 (Delta 3200), so with Delta 3200 a one-stop push is 2500 and it probably looks better with a 2/3 stop push at 2000 than it does at its true ISO speed.
Cheers,
R.
Tim Gray
Well-known
Reading again, that is probably the correct interpretation.