Better than Kodachrome, ...

[Photo_Smith]

From what I've seen of the enigmatic film in question it possesses a distortion of colour that makes it quite surreal at times and this to me is what appeals with the foveon sensor.

Each device has a unique colour rendering (colour doesn't exist in the world around us), Kodachromes was because it was a B&W film where the colours were added during processing. One of the many signatures was the sharp extended red layer roll off so reds really had a 3D look.

It managed this without reddening skin tones which was very clever.

 

[Michael Markey]

Each device has a unique colour rendering (colour doesn't exist in the world around us), Kodachromes was because it was a B&W film where the colours were added during processing. One of the many signatures was the sharp extended red layer roll off so reds really had a 3D look.

It managed this without reddening skin tones which was very clever.

Is that how they did it ....I didn`t know.
I just found it very pleasing ...I wasn`t concerned about the accuracy.

....and yes I can see the similarities between Kodachrome and the Sigma sensor.

I`ve given up on colour since Kodachrome was discontinued but I must admit the Sigma sensor has got me interested again.

I don`t need another system and its too limiting for what I need from a DSLR ....so BW it is then 🙂

 

[Sparrow]

Each device has a unique colour rendering (colour doesn't exist in the world around us), Kodachromes was because it was a B&W film where the colours were added during processing. One of the many signatures was the sharp extended red layer roll off so reds really had a 3D look.

It managed this without reddening skin tones which was very clever.

... well, while 'colour' may not exist in the world around us the perception of colour is everywhere, I would have said ... no?

 

[Photo_Smith]

The perception of colour happens in the individual, some people are colour blind others tetrachromatic (have more than three receptors)
It therefore is very individual, but yes uniform within certain limits in a percentage of people.
Most of that is only slightly relevant to proving Sigma is better than Kodachrome; sorry for the digression.

I'm not that familiar with Sigma sensors all I know is that they stack just like film, so I suppose they could have a narrower red layer to trim the recordable reds.
I've only played with one sigma and it seemed to have quite a bit of colour bleed, that is take an image of a colour chart and the patches 'bloom' outside the areas into the black surround–that was several years back.
I'm not sure though they would want to build a sensor that mimicked a certain film, that would certainly narrow their appeal as most will want a nice flat linear neutral file to work with that gives many outcomes in software, building in the 'film look' in processed presets a la X-series Fuji.

If we have 'character' in the sensor then I think that make it harder, personally I don't like the colour of Sigma cameras I do like Kodachrome-I'm not sure to me they look the same or similar–I'll have to check out the thread where you post them.
Unless a brave soul wants to post a side by side of sigma and KK 🙂

 

[Spanik]

Have you ever seen a 25 iso kodachrome slide projected by leitz pradovit colorplan on a 150x100 or wider screen? if the day will come when the digital can match the quality of the image (on a giant screen?), then the inventor will take the Nobel Prize. And I will begin photographing digital.��
Fortunately we still have velvia 50. But kodachrome colours don't fade. Hope a kodachrome impossible project

I'm with you here. But right now I prefer Velvia 400x for slides. Beautiful in 6x9.

 

[Sparrow]

The perception of colour happens in the individual, some people are colour blind others tetrachromatic (have more than three receptors)
It therefore is very individual, but yes uniform within certain limits in a percentage of people.
Most of that is only slightly relevant to proving Sigma is better than Kodachrome; sorry for the digression.

I'm not that familiar with Sigma sensors all I know is that they stack just like film, so I suppose they could have a narrower red layer to trim the recordable reds.
I've only played with one sigma and it seemed to have quite a bit of colour bleed, that is take an image of a colour chart and the patches 'bloom' outside the areas into the black surround–that was several years back.
I'm not sure though they would want to build a sensor that mimicked a certain film, that would certainly narrow their appeal as most will want a nice flat linear neutral file to work with that gives many outcomes in software, building in the 'film look' in processed presets a la X-series Fuji.

If we have 'character' in the sensor then I think that make it harder, personally I don't like the colour of Sigma cameras I do like Kodachrome-I'm not sure to me they look the same or similar–I'll have to check out the thread where you post them.
Unless a brave soul wants to post a side by side of sigma and KK 🙂

... I know goldfish have four sensors, but among designers I've employed it's lack of acuity of the three they have naturally which is the problem. I wasn't disrespecting your beloved Kodachrome, or its convoluted production or the sigmas lack of heritage/manipulation/character ...

... you may well not be able to see the similarities between kodachrome and the Sigma ... but trust me it is there

PS I don't have a Sigma DPM BTW ... I'm not grinding axes here, just being impressed by some of its output 🙂

PPS Keith may well wish to add some of his 'Splash of Colour' photos at some point, which is what prompted my consideration

 

[pete hogan]

The stability of Kodachrome is remarkable. I just looked at some slides I shot of family in 1959, and the film and holders are in great condition with no fading, look just as they did 55 years ago. Shoebox storage. Seems like they could go another 55 years. I suppose someone on RFf could ask my grandchildren then if I was right.

 

[Spanik]

Strange how the correspondence between Kodachrome and foveon turns up. Somehow I was brought up on Kodachrome and I always find the foveon photo's on this site very attractive. I'm not sure if it is because of the rendering, if photographers with similar interests are drawn towards the same gear or if it is really because there is a similarity between the rendering of Kodachrome and foveon. Or whatever else. But it is strange I think.

Just ordered a DP1M last week.

 

[airfrogusmc]

Have you ever seen a 25 iso kodachrome slide projected by leitz pradovit colorplan on a 150x100 or wider screen? if the day will come when the digital can match the quality of the image (on a giant screen?), then the inventor will take the Nobel Prize. And I will begin photographing digital.😎
Fortunately we still have velvia 50. But kodachrome colours don't fade. Hope a kodachrome impossible project

And Kodachrome 25 was more neutral than Velvia.

What is really breathtaking are Kodachrome 64 120 projections.

 

[airfrogusmc]

The stability of Kodachrome is remarkable. I just looked at some slides I shot of family in 1959, and the film and holders are in great condition with no fading, look just as they did 55 years ago. Shoebox storage. Seems like they could go another 55 years. I suppose someone on RFf could ask my grandchildren then if I was right.

I would get them out of the shoe box and into an acid free storage box or acid free sleeves.

 

[pete hogan]

I would get them out of the shoe box and into an acid free storage box or acid free sleeves.

Good reminder, thanks. A product like that should be respected.