Beyonce Bans Photographers From Tour

[Jamie123]

I can't quite see where Frank's joke is misogynistic or offensive. This is a woman who sells the image of "woman as sex-toy" and to my mind it lays her open to criticism on many levels. Frank's joke would, I suspect, gain approval from many feminists.

First of all, "sex-toy"? Wow...just....wow...

Last I checked she was just another pop star who wants to come across as sexy. We can discuss the gender politics of that but in no way does it warrant to reduce her to her sexual organs. There's plenty of male celebrieties around who try to have a sexy image but when people talk about a guy's lack of talent it would never occur to anyone to point out that at least they still have a penis. But apparently when it comes to women it's perfectly alright to point out that, even if they can't do anything else well, they can still be used for their hole.

And no, I don't think many feminists would approve of derogatory sexist comments about a woman just because she might promote a problematic image. But maybe you just don't know many feminists.

 

[Sejanus.Aelianus]

And no, I don't think many feminists would approve of derogatory sexist comments about a woman just because she might promote a problematic image. But maybe you just don't know many feminists.

You are, of course, entitled to your views, while Frank, I and the rest of us are entitled to ours. I wouldn't bother letting it get serious. Sellebrities like this woman really aren't worth getting worked up about, when there are so many people of both sexes who are suffering far greater indignities on a daily basis.

 

[nikkor-watching]

There's plenty of male celebrieties around who try to have a sexy image but when people talk about a guy's lack of talent it would never occur to anyone to point out that at least they still have a penis. But apparently when it comes to women it's perfectly alright to point out that, even if they can't do anything else well, they can still be used for their hole.

The only one I saw writing in disgusting terms is you.
Everybody else recognised the laconic irony in Beyonce's presenting herself sexually, going awry. You are the only one perseverating with sexual content. You appear to be contaminated with the doctrine of "Original sin".

 

[Jamie123]

The only one I saw writing in disgusting terms is you.
Everybody else recognised the laconic irony in Beyonce's presenting herself sexually, going awry. You are the only one perseverating with sexual content. You appear to be contaminated with the doctrine of "Original sin".

That's the thing, though, this thread didn't start out being about sex or sexiness at all. But somewhere along the line it started turning into a group of guys joking about her bodyparts. Funny innit?

And as for me writing in disguting terms. Please. So it's all prefectly fine if you use tropes like "crotch" or "girl" for a vagina but as soon as you use a term that reflects the crudeness of what is actually being said it's disgusting? Right. Got it. We can all be misogynistic guys as long as we're gentlemen about it.

 

[Jamie123]

You are, of course, entitled to your views, while Frank, I and the rest of us are entitled to ours. I wouldn't bother letting it get serious. Sellebrities like this woman really aren't worth getting worked up about, when there are so many people of both sexes who are suffering far greater indignities on a daily basis.

I completely agree, we shouldn't get too worked up about it. Which is exactly why I kept my initial comment short and just proposed that we try to keep the misogyny in check. Just to quickly rehash what prompted my comment: frank said "some singer who shakes her crotch in front of the camera " to which noisycheese added "...And then bitches about it when a photographer gets an image of her with her "girl" barely covered" to which frenk replied that "...if all she's got goin' for herself is her crotch...".
So maybe you can see how I thought it might be good to dial it back, no?

I also agree that everybody's entitled to their opinion but what annoys me is when people act sanctimoniously about the offensive things they say. And I honestly have no particular interest in defending this celebrity. I find her mildly annoying but I don't have any strong opinions about her be they positive or negative. I will say, though, that just because there are great indignities in the world, does not mean we should actively add to the number of small ones.

 

[noisycheese]

The Vagina Dialogue

The Vagina Dialogue

That's the thing, though, this thread didn't start out being about sex or sexiness at all. But somewhere along the line it started turning into a group of guys joking about her bodyparts. Funny innit?

And as for me writing in disguting terms. Please. So it's all prefectly fine if you use tropes like "crotch" or "girl" for a vagina but as soon as you use a term that reflects the crudeness of what is actually being said it's disgusting? Right. Got it. We can all be misogynistic guys as long as we're gentlemen about it.

I used the euphemism "girl" because I thought it would cause less of a kerfuffle than using the proper medical term, "Vagina." There are some folks who twitch at the use of medical terms for the reproductive parts of either gender (yes, even in the year 2013).

I will close with a historical note of interest that is germane to the analysis of my vaginal faux pas which has been held up to derision. I would like to point out that I was introduced to the use of "girl" as a substitute for "vagina" by a registered nurse in the ICU unit of the hospital where my mother-in-law was being prepped for heart surgery.

The ICU nurse in question had a "girl" of her own, by the way.

Given that fact, I naturally believed the use of "girl" when the RN referred to my mother-in-law's vagina was neither demeaning to women, misogynist in nature or politically motivated.

It is my fervent hope this revelation will allow us to lay the vagina dialogue to rest. 😉

 

[darya151]

First of all, "sex-toy"? Wow...just....wow...

Last I checked she was just another pop star who wants to come across as sexy. We can discuss the gender politics of that but in no way does it warrant to reduce her to her sexual organs. There's plenty of male celebrieties around who try to have a sexy image but when people talk about a guy's lack of talent it would never occur to anyone to point out that at least they still have a penis. But apparently when it comes to women it's perfectly alright to point out that, even if they can't do anything else well, they can still be used for their hole.

And no, I don't think many feminists would approve of derogatory sexist comments about a woman just because she might promote a problematic image. But maybe you just don't know many feminists.

+1 to that!

 

[Bob Michaels]

I remember a while back Barbra Streisand sued the California Coastline Project ( Commission? ) because they had posted an aerial view of her house. So, every news agency posted a link to the photo on their online news story. ..................

The epilogue to that was the California court found her suit so frivolous that Streisand had to pay the legal cost of the California Coastline Project defending itself.

 

[Bob Michaels]

Strangely when Beyonce and JayZ showed up in Havana last month for their 5th anniversary, they had no problems being photographed everywhere on the street. Reports, including a first hand account, were that they were more than cordial to everyone they met. They are as big with the younger set down there as they are in the US. In most of the photos I saw, Beyonce was carrying some consumer Canon DSLR in her hand.