Big Heads-Up: R-D1s raw files don't work with Adobe apps!!!

Hi Alan,

Thanks. I have the file and now I just need to get it to Thomas. I'm on satellite (no DSL or cable here) so uploads can be tricky.

Cheers,

Sean
 
Thanks, Sean, Alan, and all our other impromptu testers! Looks as if things are moving forward.

How cool would it be if we got this issue wrestled to the ground in time for the release of the firmware update?!?
 
Thomas Knoll just e-mailed me to say that the R-D1S will be unofficially supported in ACR 3.4. Offficial support will follow. All is well....<G>

Thanks to Alan for providing the needed file and to jlw for trying to provide the needed file (I couldn't get it).

Cheers,

Sean
 
You're most welcome. Glad it seems to be working out.

Just as a matter of curiosity -- not trying to press my luck -- is there an ETA for ACR 3.4? Past updates seem to run on a 4-month cycle -- not that I'd want to read too much into that (past performance is no guarantee of future results, as they say). Not feeling rushed -- Epson Photo RAW seems quite not bad -- but if anybody has reliable timing information, I'd be interested to hear.

Best,
Alan
 
Alan_Ampolsk said:
You're most welcome. Glad it seems to be working out.

Just as a matter of curiosity -- not trying to press my luck -- is there an ETA for ACR 3.4? Past updates seem to run on a 4-month cycle -- not that I'd want to read too much into that (past performance is no guarantee of future results, as they say). Not feeling rushed -- Epson Photo RAW seems quite not bad -- but if anybody has reliable timing information, I'd be interested to hear.

Best,
Alan
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Looking over the release dates for ACR revisions on the Adobe download site, I'd say your about-four-months cycle sounds right. Since the ACR 3.3 update came out on January 19, that would suggest the 3.4 update would be targeted for late May.

I'd guess that if that's their schedule, the code updating would have to be mostly complete by now, and they'd be on to testing, documentation, etc. This would make sense in the context of Sean's quote from Thomas Knoll re "unofficial" support: he figures he can get it to work in time for the 3.4 release, and then Adobe will catch up on the full documentation, tech support, etc., in the next development cycle. All of which sounds fine to me!

Does everyone realize how cool this is? Epson makes a completely undocumented format change to a camera model that's not even officially distributed in the US, Alan discovers it, various RFFers confirm it, and (thanks to Sean's connections) the software biggies are made aware of it and get working on it, all in a matter of a couple of days! Makes me think maybe some of that "power of the Internet" talk isn't just a cliché!
 
I guess I am still a bit puzzled. Pixmantec RawShooter appears to have supported the R-D1s since Feb. 26 (release date of their last 2006 update).

larry
 
idImager and R-D1s files

idImager and R-D1s files

The image management program idImager supports R-D1 raw files, using DCRAW as its raw engine. However, as expected, idImager couldn't open R-D1s ERF files (hangs the program!).

I've alerted idImager's developer, and he's addressing the problem - I'm sure support will be added as soon as possible. He confirms that the latest version of DCRAW does not support R-D1s raw files, and has passed some R-D1s raw files to Dave Coffin, the author of DCRAW - which is good news for all those programs that use DCRAW.

I'll keep folk updated with developments in this thread.
 
plummerl said:
I guess I am still a bit puzzled. Pixmantec RawShooter appears to have supported the R-D1s since Feb. 26 (release date of their last 2006 update).

larry
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Apparently raw-file interpretation is something of a black art, since there's no standard among camera manufacturers for how to write a raw file and most of the formats are completely undocumented.

So, depending on how raw-file applications are written, a minor change in format may or may not break their code, depending on how "tolerant" or "strict" it is in expecting the raw file to be structured in a certain specific way.
 
jlw said:
Does everyone realize how cool this is? Epson makes a completely undocumented format change to a camera model that's not even officially distributed in the US, Alan discovers it, various RFFers confirm it, and (thanks to Sean's connections) the software biggies are made aware of it and get working on it, all in a matter of a couple of days! Makes me think maybe some of that "power of the Internet" talk isn't just a cliché!
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I agree -- it's extremely cool. I've been around online communities for about 20 years -- since CompuServe -- and it always amazes (and impresses) me what can happen when people with a common interest come together around a problem, and when technology exists that takes friction out of the system. But this has to be one of the more memorable examples.

Best,
Alan
 
does capture one suffer the problems, I know you like to use it Sean, does it work with the test file?

Agreed on the black art of raw files, i still wonder if my R-D1 has some issue since the thread where i questioned it where any other raw converter bar the epson one had strange artefacts in the rippling waves of a shot.. I rarely see it, but to see it at all, in absence of anyone else spotting it does worry me slightly.
 
16X degrees of magnification

16X degrees of magnification

One of the features of the new R-D1s is the ability to pixel peep raw files at @ 16X on the camera's LCD. That would be a handy upgrade for checking focus. Alan, Did you get a chance to see if this works?
Rex
 
Yup, same problem with C1. I'll be e-mailing to see what can be done. I'm pretty sure the core RAW data is the same, it's some tag or something like that which is messing things up.

Cheers,

Sean
 
I'm not a computer guy, but doesnt the new ERF format have to link a small JPEG thumbnail file to the RAW file, so you can view it with less computer overhead both on the camera LCD and in the Raw editing software (as thumnails, before opening). If so, then dont these thumbnail files have to be bigger than in the old ERF, in order to support the 16X magnification feature? Maybe, thats what is causing the problem..... just a thought as I dont know what I'm talking about when it comes to anything other than analog devices.
Rex
 
rvaubel said:
One of the features of the new R-D1s is the ability to pixel peep raw files at @ 16X on the camera's LCD. That would be a handy upgrade for checking focus. Alan, Did you get a chance to see if this works?
Rex
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Sorry for the slow reply -- it's been a hectic couple of days, for other-than-photographic reasons.

Yes, the feature works extremely well and could be used to check focus, pixels, vignetting, probably even dust on the sensor. Not somethind I'd use much (I'm a high-volume street shooter and I tend to pre-focus and shoot off the eye a lot) but nice to know it's there.

Best,
Alan
 
rd1s files work with lightroom for windows.
I have both rd1 and rd1s bodies and the upgraded rd1 works with the current ARC, the rd1s doesnt, because the rd1s name isn't on the adobe list(the erf files are completely the same)

if anyone knows an adobe workaround please let me know.

Eddy
 
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