Black Friday as a Photo Op? ...hmmm.

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I'm bored! 😡

So....

1. Would it be unwise to risk life and limb by joining the gorging masses on Black Friday?

2. Would my neighborhood Wal*Mart have the highest probability for mayhem? (...or Filene's Basement?)

3. Would big box retailers have rules against photography? (aka, competitive advantage/ industrial spying kinda stuff.)

Thoughts?

Robt.
 
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I'm bored! 😡

So....

1. Would it be unwise to risk life and limb by joining the gorging masses on Black Friday?

2. Would my neighborhood Wal*Mart have the highest probability for mayhem? (...or Filene's Basement?)

3. Would big box retailers have rules against photography? (aka, competitive advantage/ industrial spying kinda stuff.)

Thoughts?

Robt.

As to question 1, use your judgment. It depends on where you go.

Walmart would be great, depending on the answer to #3

I've never tried Walmart; however, I have shot discreetly in a mall without incident. YMMV. I read a really ugly blog somewhere about unbelievably agressive security at what is ostensibly the largest mall in the country.
 
Getting up at the ungodly time needed to see the fun is reason enough for me move to plan b and catch some flowers in the middle of the day.
 
Heck with security. Get your photo's & stay out of the way. People have been killed (trampled on) on black friday. I've always wanted to get photo's on this day but it's near impossible for me to get up if I don't have to. But if I do I'm with you on this. I especially would love to get some cat fight shots of two women fighting over a toy!🙂
 
1. Would it be unwise to risk life and limb by joining the gorging masses on Black Friday?

2. Would my neighborhood Wal*Mart have the highest probability for mayhem? (...or Filene's Basement?)

3. Would big box retailers have rules against photography?

1) It's not as bad (or anywhere as exciting) as it used to be. The initial push only ever lasted for about 2-3 minutes at the openings I've been to for work.

Just FYI, this is the job the new guy pulls at any small-town daily newspaper. Why? Because it sucks. Getting up that early to stand in the cold just to see the malignant consumerism festering in this nation's heart and soul sucks. At least the local Salvation Army there had a truck set up giving out coffee and cocoa 🙂.

I do see the appeal to you, however. Free coffee and cheaper than a movie sounds like a fun date to me.

That said, it's not as interesting as it used to be. People don't die anymore because of the rules they put in place (no more lines around the building anymore killing people to buy a $30 DVD player). The store sells their crap, some people are pleased by their great deals on Chinese junk and nobody dies.

2) I guess it will do. Any decent big box would be fine. I've never been to a Best Buy, though.

3) Yup. The policy is a resounding "NO!" You could try shooting inside, but don't be surprised if you're asked to leave within the first 5 minutes (even if you're there for a local newspaper). Standing outside with a DSLR with crazy-high ISO and a fast prime is usually the best way to not get in trouble (the guys in electric wheelchairs with the big flat-screens on their laps can be pretty funny).
 
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But, THIS year...the sales are starting at 10 PM Thanksgiving Night! ...not early as in the past.

Ergo, the online petition drive to put a stop to the BF sales starting on Thanksgiving night.
 
I thought of going too - I read there are plans afoot to "occupy" malls on Black Friday.

I would love to see the mall Barney Fifes trying to use pepper spray.

Randy

P.S. Barney Fife was a wonderful character and I intended no disrespect. Barney would never dispense pepper spray at an unarmed civilian. ;-)
 
This is evidently highly culturally specific...

Some sort of winter sale? Thanksgiving? Pre-Christmas?

Wal-Mart is not just against photography. They're against your reading the labels to see that their ALL-AMERICAN products are Chinese.

Cheers,

R.
 
This is evidently highly culturally specific...

Some sort of winter sale? Thanksgiving? Pre-Christmas?

Wal-Mart is not just against photography. They're against your reading the labels to see that their ALL-AMERICAN products are Chinese.

Cheers,

R.

Ooops!

Yes...Black Friday is one of the two biggest shopping days of the year here in the US. It is always the day after Thanksgiving, signallng the beginning of Xmas shopping. It's called Black Friday, because (in theory) retailers are pretty much losing money (i.e., in the "red") all year long until Black Friday, when they start to turn a profit (i.e., in the "black") for the year. Of course..."Cyber Monday" is the new version, where folks (like me) do all their shopping on line, on the first Monday after Black Friday. Anyway...Black Friday is when the big sales are begun. This year, WalMart and Target are beginning their sales on Thanksgiving night...causing a Target employee (with initiative) to put out an online petition to stop Target from doing it...thereby robbing their own employees of a Thanksgiving night with their families.

In other words, Roger, Black Friday is when you would sneak out to buy that big screen TV on sale, that Frances has forbidden you from purchasing all year.

🙂
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I wish I could be in Boston...at Filene's Basement!

That is the ultimate buying spree....all bargains...and Filene's doesn't bother with subtleties. Everything is just dumped out on tables to bait the barbarian hords.
 
This is evidently highly culturally specific...

I apparently need to explain this so our friends across the ponds can understand the fascination behind this clusterf**k:

The USA observes Thanksgiving Day -- where we celebrate the raping and pillaging of the Native Americans after they brought some starving white people a bunch of food and said "please don't kill us" -- on the 4th Thursday in November. The day after is called "Black Friday," as it is an important shopping day (Black being the color for profit on a spreadsheet, as opposed to red for a loss). You see, unlike many older cultures, Americans are kind of dicks in that we never buy gifts for people unless we really, really have to, so most of us go out shopping before Christmas en mass because we have to do so, not because we actually like each other. It's also how parents buy affection from their children (especially divorced parents... mine didn't divorce until I was 24 and had a full-time job, so I missed out :bang🙂

Many stores put on very big sales to attract customers, with some stores opening in the very early morning hours (like 0400 or so). This year, some retailers are just going to open up Thursday night (which has created this huge backlash, but that's another story).

How do the stores get these great discounts? Well, they buy extra-cheap items and pass them off as "good" items, or they put out a very few items -- like 6 of each thing they advertize -- at such a low price people will come in from miles around to buy. When they get in the door (other than the first 6 people), they find the store is out, so they often buy a more expensive item instead. These are usually things not selling very well to begin with, so the Americans get their plastic junk fix while the retailers make their bankers in the Cayman Islands happy.

You see, we're a simple people. We used to jump into European wars for our own amusement and to give the largest corporations some way of making mad amounts of money, but since the 1990s, the Europeans have been too well behaved to even play cold war with us. Now we have to buy cheap crap made in China to stay entertained. The whole system is a cross between the Floating Fortress construction (a giant waste of resources, rather than fixing the problems of the nation) in George Orwell's "1984" and the watching police chases on our huge TVs and driving our cars way too fast from Ray Bradbury's "Fahrenheit 451."
 
I too have considered doing this after watching all the recon work/pre-planning my wife and her friends go through and seeing clips of the mayhem on the TV news. I know it would be a rich environment for photography. But ugh, now that I'm no longer in my 20s I wuss out at the thought of staying up all night. Whoever does it, post some photos!
 
If you work for press/media AND you have made arrangements in advance to photograph AND you have spoken with store security first AND they know you and your face, then you should be able to photograph. Otherwise, your a$$ will be on the pavement. Remember the parking lots around stores are private property too, just just inside the stores. And store security don't care much about photographer's rights anyway, even if you are on public property.
 
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