Blue Fire Police Film

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RubenBlaedel

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StuartR mentions Blue Fire Police Film in the thread on the Hexar 1,2 - I have been trying to get this film to Denmark but so far I have not suceeded - What is your experience with the film StuartR ?? and anyone else ?? From were do you get it ?? is there any strange ways with it ??? what developer ?? - In other words I am interested in knowing more about this film from experienced Blue Fire RFf-users ! Thanks Ruben
 
greyhoundman said:
Here is a website that explains the film and developing. I'm sure they would sell it to you.

http://www.frugalphotographer.com/

I went to that site yesterday. It was on that one or one of the links, where I noticed that the film they sell in bulk was labeled Adox. I think the EFKE films sold by JandC in Kansas City is supposed to be the same formulas if not the exact same film. I remember Adox from many years ago. I rather liked it. Does anyone know if these are all the same film? For that matter, is the "special" developer just a re-label of some older developer of another name?
 
Bluefire is different from Efke/Adox. I believe Bill is correct that it is Agfa Copex with a different developer.

I've been doing some rearsch into the Adox film label for a awhile. This is what I have learned from various sources:

"Fotokemika Zagreb licensed the process from EI DuPont de Nemours after they had purchased the Dr C Schleussner Fotowerke concern around 1960. Messrs Schleussner claimed, with apparent accuracy, to be the oldest company still producing photographic emulsions -- since 1849, I believe -- in existence at the time of their demise, so I suppose that honor now passes to Fotokemika Zagreb. But I don't believe any "machinery" passed, just the rights to the emulsion. Adox films were the miracle emulsions of 1952. Enjoy this, guys! These films are wonderfully foregiving, have a really long toe, and do not growl when you use D-76 or XTOL. And the company sent me a nice FAX a decade back, when the US recognized Croatia as a nation. "
-Marc James Small

"Adox cameras were manufactured in the former Wirgin plant in Wiesbaden, Germany. The plant changed ownership in the 1930's since the owners were jewish and had to leave the country. However, it was acquired by Dr.Schleussner (owner of the Adox film company, some of their then famous b/w films are still manufactured under licence by Efke) on a legal basis.

They continued to make cameras, mostly 'consumer grade' until the early 60s when they went bancrupt. Like Wirgin, their predecessor, they just made the bodies and bought shutters and most lenses from other manufacturers.

The equipment was sold to the re-founded Wirgin (AKA Edixa, this trademark was introduced in the late 50s) plant, and they continued manufacturing some of the Adox 35mm cameras under their own trademark - besides their own 35mm line and the famous Edixa SLRs. I got all this from an extensive features of a german camera collectors' magazine."

-Winfried

"Adox/Schleussner is one of the first who made films at commercial scale. Adox developed the films in 1950 and 1952, Willi Beutler formulated Neofin for those films. They were the first "Duennschichtfilme". At that time Adox had one of the most modern film production line in the world, for photographic and technical (xray) films in Neuisenburg near Frankfurt, for papers in Cologne. DuPont got interested in their technology and bought them in the early 1960s, but continued production up to the late 70s/80s in the mentioned plants, the films were sold as "Adox, by DuPont" or so. Since the mid1980s DuPont granted Fotokemika of Yugoslavia a license for the emulsion. A long time their boxes beared the tags "licensed by DuPont". Well. Fotokemika moved in the late 1990s from Zagreb to a smaller town, Samobor.

Last year the trademark protection of Adox ceased to work due to "non-usage" and Fotoimpex has just begun to take up that brand - "Adolight", "Adostor".. nice design."

-Roman (I think this our Roman)

I just bought some of the last Efke 35mm that Frugalphotographer.com had for sale. JandC seems to be the exclusive Seller in the US, perhaps all of North America.

-Paul
 
No, that's not 'our' Roman (me), but Roman J. R. - who is a buddy of mine from a German B&W darkroom forum; he's also active at the Beststuff RussianCameraForum, and I met him in Prague last year, where he let me fondle his Leica M4 (and I decorated it with a red star, so he would not feel inappropriate at a RussianCamera Forum meeting...)
On the attached picture, you can see him (on the right), me (in the middle) and darkroom chemistry wizard Franz (on the left) sitting in the courtyard of Foto Skoda in Prague (where every rangefinder-maniac could leave a small fortune, despite of the low prices...).

'The other' Roman is right, though: Bluefire & Gigabitfilm are relabeled Agfa Copex; Efke films are based on the old Adox formulas; and after the copyright to the Adox brand had run out, German mailorder company FotoImpex (run by B&W freak Mirko Böddecker, and cooperating with JandC in the US and Retro Photographic in the UK) secured the rights and is using it as their house brand for films (Ilford and Efke emulsions), papers (Forte and Efke), chemistry (Calbe, Foma, Spur), tripods (Chinese Manfrotto copies), etc.
 
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trittium said:
has anyone used this and has examples

Bluefire Police film, shot at 80 iso and souped for 80.

I'm not sure if I agitated too much or what, but they came out INCREDIBLY contrasty, to the point where.. well it was pretty insane to print.


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I would so use this film again, and am planning to.
 
I've been pondering getting some of that film myself, just to try. Maybe I will. Looks to be very interesting in natural light for contrasty portraits...and I'll be doing those soon. 😉
 
Thank you Crasis. I was sure that I'd seen Blue Fire in here previously and didn't realise it was the same thread.

My post is now edited to stop others chasing their own tail.

Once again, many thanks.
 
Jon Claremont said:
Thank you Crasis. I was sure that I'd seen Blue Fire in here previously and didn't realise it was the same thread.

My post is now edited to stop others chasing their own tail.

Once again, many thanks.

Actually, I'd just assumed that you meant to link to the same thread in some form of "It's never been discussed anywhere but here!", so I thought it was fun 🙂
 
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