BREXIT: UK members might want to consider GAS before the June 23 referendum

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Wulfthari said:
I don't see why the EU countries should allow a tax free treatment to a country that exited out of EU saying they are a corrupted organisation.
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In order to keep exporting goods to UK.
As I wrote, custom free borders would not be one way only and they are obviously an advantage for the most exporting party (EU to UK rather than the opposite, in the case of Brexit).

And, possibly, EU corruption being the reason for Brexit is an internal promotional argumentation for the leave party, rather then the one which is being played on the actual political tables.


Wulfthari said:
BTW, as Italian you should know that in case of Brexit your fellow citizens will need a VISA to work there and they will have no access to NHS and all the other privileges the EU citizens right now get in the UK.
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I'm sorry for those guys, but this alone can't really be the main reason for any decision.
Especially considering that UK alone, in a world of players getting bigger and bigger, is unlikely to keep being as (relatively) wealthy as it is: it will probably keep drifting to a marginal role more than it has been doing during the last 100 years.
The same, of course, would be true for any other EU country since the center of the developing world has moved from the Mediterranean, then to the Atlantic and eventually to the Pacific area, and size has become more and more important with globalization.
 
13Promet said:
In order to keep exporting goods to UK.
As I wrote, custom free borders would not be one way only and they are obviously an advantage for the most exporting party (EU to UK rather than the opposite, in the case of Brexit).

And, possibly, EU corruption being the reason for Brexit is an internal promotional argumentation for the leave party, rather then the one which is being played on the actual political tables.
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Do you realise that the EU market is much bigger than the UK market and therefore the UK would be more affected?

I'm sorry for those guys, but this alone can't really be the main reason for any decision.
Especially considering that UK alone, in a world of players getting bigger and bigger, is unlikely to keep being as (relatively) wealthy as it is: it will probably keep drifting to a marginal role more than it has been doing during the last 100 years.
The same, of course, would be true for any other EU country since the center of the developing world has moved from the Mediterranean, then to the Atlantic and eventually to the Pacific area, and size has become more and more important with globalization.
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Well, that's a very Italian way of thinking: I just care about myself, about the others I don't give a s...🙄

For the record, I am one of these guys,and I'm already thinking about getting a job in Germany, certainly the idea to come back in Italy freaks me out.

P.S. The CEO of my company today sent a letter to all the employees to recommend to vote to remain because of the fear of customs and cutting our relations with our suppliers. He made a very well made statement on the matter.
 
mfogiel said:
Feel free to choose.
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I wish there was a good choice. Whatever the outcome of the referendum, the UK will be badly damaged by the political fractures have been hugely amplified by this campaign.

I would like to see the UK taking a leading position in a united, functional Europe. Instead local politicians choose to use and abuse Europe for their own ends, with little consideration of the larger picture and without any great or coherent vision of the future.

On the bright side, I hedged my bets and used some of my remaining UK funds to buy a new lens while in London last week ;-)
 
sevo said:
If that can bring the Reliant back, out with them! 😀
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Perhaps they'll bring back one of those too:

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Roger Hicks said:
What on earth makes you think you have any more knowledge of the facts than I? I can only imagine it is because you disagree with me. I could equally well patronize you by telling you to "dig a little deeper into the facts".

Cheers,

R.
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I certainly have enough knowledge to suggest that you've been drinking the remain camp cool aid if your original post is a serious summary of the situation. As far as digging into the facts, I have, which is why I can say with some confidence that most of the facts from both sides are at best bull and at worst plain lies. Whether I agree or disagree with your views is neither here not there. What I took issue with was the tone of your post.
 
Wulfthari said:
Do you realise that the EU market is much bigger than the UK market and therefore the UK would be more affected?
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If UK was exporting any goods, that would be relevant.
Unfortunately, it's not.

Wulfthari said:
Well, that's a very Italian way of thinking: I just care about myself, about the others I don't give a s...🙄
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That's quite far away from my words, and I'm sorry that you like to misread me: I'm really sorry for you guys.
I'm just realistically saying that the game is much bigger than this factor alone.

Wulfthari said:
For the record, I am one of these guys,and I'm already thinking about getting a job in Germany, certainly the idea to come back in Italy freaks me out.
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Unfortunately, it makes sense.
So much that, even if I have a good job in Italy in a very good company, I'm also looking forward to move to Germany.
I wish you all the best, sincerly!

Wulfthari said:
P.S. The CEO of my company today sent a letter to all the employees to recommend to vote to remain because of the fear of customs and cutting our relations with our suppliers. He made a very well made statement on the matter.
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It's a risk worth avoiding, so his move makes sense.
But this does not mean that the risk is going to come true and actually become a damage.
 
Gid said:
I certainly have enough knowledge to suggest that you've been drinking the remain camp cool aid if your original post is a serious summary of the situation. As far as digging into the facts, I have, which is why I can say with some confidence that most of the facts from both sides are at best bull and at worst plain lies. Whether I agree or disagree with your views is neither here not there. What I took issue with was the tone of your post.
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Well, I take issue with the tine of yours, so we're quits on that one. By all means try to patronize me with phrases like "you've been drinking the remain camp cool aid", because it just makes you look worse, not me.

Cheers,

R.
 
When George Osborne became Chancellor in 2010 he set up the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR). The reason that he gave for doing this was that the OBR would be able to provide independent economic forecasts, unlike the Treasury which was subject to undue pressure from the Government.

When he wanted a forecast of the effect on the economy of the UK leaving the EU, why did he ask the Treasury to provide this forecast rather than asking the OBR?

Can anyone guess?
 
Richard C said:
When George Osborne became Chancellor in 2010 he set up the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR). The reason that he gave for doing this was that the OBR would be able to provide independent economic forecasts, unlike the Treasury which was subject to undue pressure from the Government.

When he wanted a forecast of the effect on the economy of the UK leaving the EU, why did he ask the Treasury to provide this forecast rather than asking the OBR?

Can anyone guess?
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I've stayed out of this so far, but the suggestion that somehow Osborne is anything but a coke addled idiot who when it comes to economics wouldn't know one end of a calculator from another is a step too far.

Frankly I'd be surprised if he could spell OBR most days.
 
Richard C said:
When George Osborne became Chancellor in 2010 he set up the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR). The reason that he gave for doing this was that the OBR would be able to provide independent economic forecasts, unlike the Treasury which was subject to undue pressure from the Government.

When he wanted a forecast of the effect on the economy of the UK leaving the EU, why did he ask the Treasury to provide this forecast rather than asking the OBR?

Can anyone guess?
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Chancellor George Osborne was accused of politicising the independent Office for Budgetary Responsibility (OBR) after he cited its analysis..... in arguing for a Remain vote in the EU referendum. Delivering the budget yesterday, Osborne cited OBR’s analysis which warned that “a vote to leave in the forthcoming referendum could usher in an extended period of uncertainty regarding the precise terms of the UK’s future relationship with the EU. This could have negative implications for activity via business and consumer confidence and might result in greater volatility in financial and other asset markets.”

http://openeurope.org.uk/daily-shak...ticising-obr-after-citing-its-brexit-warning/

I'm not fanboy for George Osborne but it does appear to bag a case of "Damned if you do, damned if you don't"....
 
c.poulton said:
. . . I'm not fanboy for George Osborne but it does appear to bag a case of "Damned if you do, damned if you don't"....
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Dear Christian,

Nah. That one starts out damned, so from the point of view of the ultimate destination of his immortal soul, it doesn't really matter what he does.

Cheers,

R.
 
Wulfthari said:
. .. Are you telling me the UK doesn't export anything important?
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Nah, nothing apart from motor cars (including Rolls Royce, Bentley, Land Rover, Jaguar and most F1 cars); aero engines and other aircraft parts; specialist foodstuffs (Colman's mustard, anyone?) and high-end consumer goods of many kinds. And a few other things, including film: without Ilford, black and white users would be somewhat bereft.

Unfortunately they don't export clotted cream.

Cheers,

R.
 
Roger Hicks said:
Nah, nothing apart from motor cars (including Rolls Royce, Bentley, Land Rover, Jaguar and most F1 cars); aero engines and other aircraft parts; specialist foodstuffs (Colman's mustard, anyone?) and high-end consumer goods of many kinds. And a few other things, including film: without Ilford, black and white users would be somewhat bereft.
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The snag is that the world at large won't have many scruples luxury taxing them all. The other thing Britain (or rather, London) has been exporting all over Europe for the past thirty years is its role as a tax haven and safe harbour for the more reckless kind of financial products. Which is less than popular elsewhere in the EU, and a privilege they are unlikely to keep if they vote exit.

Roger Hicks said:
Unfortunately they don't export clotted cream.
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Marks&Spencer did, for a while, when they expanded to the continent. Unfortunately the continentals did not share the British taste in solid, but boring clothing, and maintaining a fresh food basement made up entirely of products distributed from the UK (even the Italian apples they sold in Munich were packaged in the UK) may not have been that profitable either, so they were forced to un-expand again within a few years.
 
Roger Hicks said:
Nah, nothing apart from motor cars (including Rolls Royce, Bentley, Land Rover, Jaguar and most F1 cars); aero engines and other aircraft parts; specialist foodstuffs (Colman's mustard, anyone?) and high-end consumer goods of many kinds. And a few other things, including film: without Ilford, black and white users would be somewhat bereft.

Unfortunately they don't export clotted cream.

Cheers,

R.
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Hear, hear!

I work in one of the companies you mentioned.😀

And our CEO sent an email to all the employees asking to vote remain....they have ran four projections, three were negative and one neutral. Of course when we are talking about economic forecast is like when we talk about weather forecast but let's say many barometers predict low pressure...how low and for how long it's difficult to say.

sevo said:
The snag is that the world at large won't have many scruples luxury taxing them all. The other thing Britain (or rather, London) has been exporting all over Europe for the past thirty years is its role as a tax haven and safe harbour for the more reckless kind of financial products. Which is less than popular elsewhere in the EU, and a privilege they are unlikely to keep if they vote exit.
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A SMART European government (for instance, yours as the Italian one is composed by fools and idiots) might get a substantial profit in case of Brexit, namely offering the same conditions they are enjoying in Britain at the moment.

Pretty sure a lot of wealthy Germans now moved their permanent residence in Austria because the Austrian government "recruited" them with lower taxation. Holland is doing the same with professionals who work in Research & Development.
 
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