Britain's treatment of photographers makes undemocratic Cuba look angelic

Toilet paper is not hygienic and ecologic. Even in deep Marocco, you have a water tap, eventually a little soap, which is more likely suitable (to my taste).
 
bmattock said:
I was just enjoying the photo - Castro with an American camera, in the Soviet Union, whilst Kruschev looks on approvingly. No one else finds that ironic or amusing?
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I found it both. Plus, it's a camera I always wanted to try out. ;)

payasam said:
The beholder with the funny eye must also be able to identify the camera as a product of the USA, and that is asking a great deal.
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Well, this is a forum full of old-fart photographers who can identify a camera using only about 20 pixels or so.

35mmdelux said:
dude, there's nothing to blow up in Cuba! They dont even have toilet paper unless you're a tourist.
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How do you know this? What paper are you reading ... one of Murdoch's rags? ;)

Bill58 said:
Really? I took a History Of England course in college too and don't remember any revolutions either. Maybe you refresh our failing memories. Our conversation began w/ the stories last year of the MOPs gorging themselves at the public trough...acts which inexcusably weren't against the law. At least when our congressmen do it, they can get caught and sent to prison.
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I took a lot of courses in university, including "Modern World Civilization" which was so taught in such a lame manner that I could literally doze off in lecture, perk up when I heard the prof (a newly minted PhD named "Dr. Self" -- I kid you not) say something I recognized from my pre-reading. I got an A.

But I've forgotten just about all of that, and much from other courses. Perhaps you just aren't remembering?

Congressmen going to prison? Don't remember that, at least recently. And if one or two did, that leaves thousands who escaped. All democracies are effed up, largely through policies of the elite ruling classes which lead to lack of education and poverty, two of the principle causes of decay.
 
Roger Hicks said:
Not some -- ALL. This is quite an old joke as you can tell form the references to the Times (it may have been true once) and to the Daily Worker:

The Times is read by those who run the country.

The Telegraph is read by those who used to run the country.

The Guradian is read by those who think they ought to run the country.

The Financial Times is read by those who own the country.

The Mail is read by those who think that foreigners run the country.

The Daily Worker is read by those who think Russia should run the country.

The Sun is read by those who don't care who runs the country as long as the girl on page 3 has big Bristols. (Rhyming slang: Bristol City)

Cheers,

R.
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Thanks. I`d forgotten that one.:)
 
bmattock said:
Commodities did indeed carry ideological baggage when the Soviets were proclaiming the superiority of their system and the West was trumpeting theirs. These were different times. I find the photo ironic. If you don't, well, I have nothing to offer you. Humor is in the eye of the beholder, I guess.
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I can't see what is 'ironic' with the picture. Fidel Castro went to Sovjet Union to seek protection from USA. After all, the Americans were trying to kill him. Krutchov was an eager photgrahper himself. When visting gothenburg, back in the early 60' he got a Hasselblad 500 as a gift from the mayor of Gothenburg, himself a socialist, which Krutchov used a lot after he was disposed and was a pensionare. It could well be his children or grandchildren we see in the background.

Krutchov was very impressed by the Hasselblad camera, as he writes in his memoirs (smuggled out as tapes in the 70') and 'ordered his engineers' to 'make a similar Sovjet version of the camera'. He was impressed by a lot of technical solutions that he saw when going on his trips to the west. He was given a lot of presents on his overseas trips. From television sets to breeding cows from heads of states. As an uncorruptable communist he regarded these gifts as 'gifts to the Sovjet Union', not to himself personally. He kept only two things for himself: This Hasselblad 500 camera and a pair of Carl Zeiss binoculars, a gift from the West German prime minister Adenauer.

Krutchov was quite popular in Russia. He is regarded as the master of the beautiful Moscow Metro system, a job he did for his boss, Stalin. It was Krutchov who rejected the Stalin period of the Sovjet Union and started a new era, after Stalin's death. As a taxi driver in St.Petersburg told me; 'Krutchov got the Russians up in the morning by cheer enthusiasm, - Stalin by stark terror...'

Despite his shoe thundering at an UN assembly meeting Krutchov was preoccupied by 'restoring peace'. He lost his first wife in The Great Famine back in the 20', and his oldest son at Stalingrad, and forebade his other children to see war movies. And he enjoyed photography. Mostly family stuff. Like lunches at his dacha with his wife and grand children.
 
telemetre said:
I wonder if it would be safer to take pictures during a revolution or present day London?
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Living in London I've been trying my best to get arrested whilst taking photographs but I've failed miserably so far. I'm quite prepared to believe that the Metropolitan Police and the various 'plastic' policemen we have around are more prepared to interfere with innocent photography, but I've yet to see it happen. About 18 months ago, when a similar subject came up here, I took a walk on a weekday from the Tower of London back to where I live in Kensington, photographing as many 'sensitive' locations as I could think of, including the rear entrance to 10 Downing St, MI5, MI6, the Ministry of Defence, HQ London Military District, Knightsbridge Barracks etc etc, without any interference at all.
 
Ade-oh said:
I took a walk on a weekday from the Tower of London back to where I live in Kensington, photographing as many 'sensitive' locations as I could think of, including the rear entrance to 10 Downing St, MI5, MI6, the Ministry of Defence, HQ London Military District, Knightsbridge Barracks etc etc, without any interference at all.
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Were you in uniform? ;)
 
Here at last we have no dictatorship, we have capitalism. Our poors are not expression of a dictator. Our poors are only made by the financial decisions. Capitalism is ruled by few, to rule the most. Reminds me of something...:p
 
35mmdelux said:
Yes, this is why he stationed all those nukes in Cuba and built the Berlin Wall.
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- About as close to USA as similar US nukes in Turkey was to Sovjet Union. These were also removed after the Cuban Missile Crisis. The Cold War was a balance act. It is worth noting that both John F. Kennedy and Krushchev was removed after the Cuban Missile Crisis.

You know little about what the ordinary Russians thought of both Stalin (they loved him!) and Krushchev, I understand. Just as much a mystery to you as it is to us Europeans as to why George W Bush were so popular among Americans, I guess.
 
Mael said:
Here at last we have no dictatorship, we have capitalism. Our poors are not expression of a dictator. Our poors are only made by the financial decisions. Capitalism is ruled by few, to rule the most. Reminds me of something...:p
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Under capitalism, man is exploited by man.

Under communism, it is the other way around.

Cheers, comrade!

R.
 
35mmdelux said:
Yes, this is why he stationed all those nukes in Cuba....
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There must be a billion people or two, now, that regret that those missiles were not fired on 'the peace loving America'. Like the peoples of Vietnam, Iraq, Afganistan, Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia - just to mention a few.
 
Spoks said:
There must be a billion people or two, now, that regret that those missiles were not fired on 'the peace loving America'. Like the peoples of Vietnam, Iraq, Afganistan, Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia - just to mention a few.
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That sir, may not have been well thought out. Considering what response that would have triggered, how happy would the people you mentioned, be about the results of that?
 
Well it's an even shorter trip for Brits to escape to the mainland. They should start using any means necessary like the Cubans.
 
TWoK said:
Well it's an even shorter trip for Brits to escape to the mainland. They should start using any means necessary like the Cubans.
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They could walk the railway tunnel and meet the illegal immigrants coming to GB halfway :D And then they should start thinking why so many others still want to enter the country. Can't be soooo bad.
 
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