Sparrow
Veteran
Local lad, grew up Middleham in Wensleydale, at Richard Neville's place ... I'll post some photos of his bedroom if you like
Arthur, must have been Roman, if he existed as you say
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wgerrard
Veteran
Roll back the clock not very many decades and the Normans are Vikings. OMG! Maybe Norwegians.
wgerrard
Veteran
Or, possibly, a Romanized Briton, fighting unsuccessfully to defend his piece of the isle against the Evil Anglo-Saxon Hordes after the Romans scampered back to the continent.
Olsen
Well-known
Well. Richard III is regarded as 'the most likely culprit' by modern history scholars: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princes_in_the_Tower
Who would you suggest?
Olsen
Well-known
Richard III ruled some 300 years after the Viking Age. Most likely, he spoke 'old French' or a sort of Latin at court. But his ancestors came from Northern France and York (Norwegian: Jordvik) both of which during the Viking Age were Norwegian strongholds. 300 years, that is 15 - 20 generations. We can't exclude a platfoot German prince or a horny Spanish princess can have mingled into the family tree by then.
Michael Markey
Veteran
Richard is the true monarch. I say that even though I currently reside in Lancs and John of Guaunts "house " is just up the road. 
In fact I passed by there today to pick up some dev stuff. He wasn`t at home.
In fact I passed by there today to pick up some dev stuff. He wasn`t at home.
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Olsen
Well-known
A horse, a horse! My kingdom for a horse!
A horse, a horse! My kingdom for a horse!
Richard III was the guy who cried out at the Battle of Bosworth; 'a horse, a horse, my kingdom for a horse'! That is according to Shakespeare. (Except for the fact that I don't think that the first folio stuff was actually written by William Shakespeare. But rather by Francis Bacon. Have me excused). Richard III never did get a new horse. So, that was the end of him, and in comes the Tudors....
A horse, a horse! My kingdom for a horse!
Richard is the true monarch. I say that even though I currently reside in Lancs and John of Guaunts "house " is just up the road.
Richard III was the guy who cried out at the Battle of Bosworth; 'a horse, a horse, my kingdom for a horse'! That is according to Shakespeare. (Except for the fact that I don't think that the first folio stuff was actually written by William Shakespeare. But rather by Francis Bacon. Have me excused). Richard III never did get a new horse. So, that was the end of him, and in comes the Tudors....
Michael Markey
Veteran
Pity, I have horses. Could have made a few bob. With a kindom I might have been able to afford an M9
Rather live here than anywhere else apart from over there .
Rather live here than anywhere else apart from over there .
payasam
a.k.a. Mukul Dube
Stewart, thank you for setting out the correct technique. Now the whole of RFF knows that one has to lay hands on an arse before one kicks it.
rxmd
May contain traces of nut
Celts, pah! Immigrants all. Suckers came from the Continent in the Iron Age around 500 BC and imposed their culture upon everyone.
Now if you chose a good Pict or something... except that we don't really know much about them, who they were, what they spoke, nor - the horror! - where they came from.
In other words, welcome to the authenticity trap.
Olsen
Well-known
Richard is the true monarch. I say that even though I currently reside in Lancs and John of Guaunts "house " is just up the road.
Couldn't you trade in one of the horses to a M9? Two, and you can include a WATE.
rxmd
May contain traces of nut
The horse vignettes.
johannielscom
Snorting silver salts
Vikings, Picts, Celts.
Batavians were the smartest folk all along. We gave in if needed, bet never too much. We stood tall when needed. to bow, but never to break!
We went to Borneo, Java, Celebes, America, the Antilles, (Southern) Africa and Surinam, Australia and New Zealand (named after a province in the Netherlands, Zeeland), Czar Peter the Great came to live with the Dutch to learn how to build seaworthy ships, the English royal family is Dutch.
We won land from the sea since the 15th century and we're still doing it, from Dubai to New Orleans.
Beat that
Batavians were the smartest folk all along. We gave in if needed, bet never too much. We stood tall when needed. to bow, but never to break!
We went to Borneo, Java, Celebes, America, the Antilles, (Southern) Africa and Surinam, Australia and New Zealand (named after a province in the Netherlands, Zeeland), Czar Peter the Great came to live with the Dutch to learn how to build seaworthy ships, the English royal family is Dutch.
We won land from the sea since the 15th century and we're still doing it, from Dubai to New Orleans.
Beat that
johannielscom
Snorting silver salts
Trade it for a fly fishing rod, and you have a true wide angler
Damaso
Photojournalist
http://www.bjp-online.com/public/showPage.html?page=872249
When released, Handley contact the NUJ, which instructed Thompsons Solicitors 'to pursue a claim for compensation for unlawful imprisonment and assault.' The ACPO guidelines, which were agreed with diverse media organisations such as the NUJ and British Press Photographers' Association among others following the 07 July 2005 attacks in London, make it clear that the police are not allowed to restrict or to prevent the press from taking photographs.
'Buckinghamshire Police Authority rescinded the caution, apologised for the unlawful arrest and after proceedings were issued settled the claim for £5250. Handley’s finger print and DNA records have been deleted,' the NUJ says.
When released, Handley contact the NUJ, which instructed Thompsons Solicitors 'to pursue a claim for compensation for unlawful imprisonment and assault.' The ACPO guidelines, which were agreed with diverse media organisations such as the NUJ and British Press Photographers' Association among others following the 07 July 2005 attacks in London, make it clear that the police are not allowed to restrict or to prevent the press from taking photographs.
'Buckinghamshire Police Authority rescinded the caution, apologised for the unlawful arrest and after proceedings were issued settled the claim for £5250. Handley’s finger print and DNA records have been deleted,' the NUJ says.
Olsen
Well-known
Vikings, Picts, Celts.
Batavians were the smartest folk all along. We gave in if needed, bet never too much. We stood tall when needed. to bow, but never to break!
We went to Borneo, Java, Celebes, America, the Antilles, (Southern) Africa and Surinam, Australia and New Zealand (named after a province in the Netherlands, Zeeland), Czar Peter the Great came to live with the Dutch to learn how to build seaworthy ships, the English royal family is Dutch.
We won land from the sea since the 15th century and we're still doing it, from Dubai to New Orleans.
Beat that
Batavians? How come all the 'Duch' burried in Malacca, Malaysia have Norwegian/Danish names?
Sparrow
Veteran
Ya, right based on what, a play written to please a despot Queen, daughter of another despot and granddaughter to another ... and no he didnt limp and the hump was painted on that Holbein afterwards
rxmd
May contain traces of nut
Well, the whole of North Germany is full of people with names that you'd probably identify as Norwegian/Danish on grounds of being Norwegian yourself, but that they'd identify as North German, Frisian or whatever.
It seems that the North Sea was a huge area of cultural exchange between peoples that had a common linguistic heritage anyway. After all it's not that much of a stretch to take the son of Harald and call him Haraldsson, no matter what flavour of Germanic language you speak, and then it's just a matter of pronunciation of orthography. Looking at gravestones in South East Asia and reading national differences into this mess is so 19th century.
MickH
Well-known
Damaso... Interesting article that.
I wonder how a 'private citizen' would fare under similar circumstances. Would the same interpretation of the law apply, or are photo-journalists a special case?
I wonder how a 'private citizen' would fare under similar circumstances. Would the same interpretation of the law apply, or are photo-journalists a special case?
Sparrow
Veteran
And the bloody horse thing is from the play, when the Stanleys' failed to deploy Richard attacked with his household and the heavy cavalry, he got close enough to Henry Tudur to cut down his standard, along with its' bearer, Henry bravely stayed behind his tent.
When the charge failed, and they tried to disengage Richard was unhorsed in boggy ground. He refused remounts offered by his retainers, and fought on, on foot, his wife Anne Neville had died a few months earlier and the speculation at the time was that it was that, that prompted his refusal, and inevitable death.
When the charge failed, and they tried to disengage Richard was unhorsed in boggy ground. He refused remounts offered by his retainers, and fought on, on foot, his wife Anne Neville had died a few months earlier and the speculation at the time was that it was that, that prompted his refusal, and inevitable death.
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