Brits Ban Cameras on Planes

my rf/vf was knocked out of vertical with a bit of a bump in my pocket (fed-2, all metal those things)... there's NO hope for us if its in the hold
 
I saw on CNN, I think, that even a watch battery could be used as an ignitor! Welcome back autowind wathes!!!

Looks like we're all going back to pinhole cameras!

Mark
 
Ash said:
my rf/vf was knocked out of vertical with a bit of a bump in my pocket (fed-2, all metal those things)... there's NO hope for us if its in the hold
I wouldn't worry about that Ash!! There's a fair chance the camera won't be there anyway!! Especially if you use one of the suitcases you get now which close with a zipper, two minutes with a Stanley knife will sort that!!
I have a friend who used to work at Heathrow, his advice was never put valuables in your case, they are x-rayed, so the thiieves know exactly which cases to target, they just opened the candy store!!!😱
 
I wonder what pro photogs having to travel for assignment are doing now 😕

I foresee a new incoming business as rent-a-camera places in airports. Get what you want at your destination, check it in back before leaving, they take care of sending your rolls home or (more likely) burn you dvd's with the contents of the cards.

Any interested partner ? 😛

Oscar
 
RML said:
Can we curb the racial slurs? Why does it always have to be an Arab or a Muslim? Who blew up that building in Oklahoma? Who blew up have of London not so many years ago? Who is killing who anywhere in this world? Not just Arabas or Muslims, right? So, mind your mouths.

And what rock are you hiding under? While Oklahomka city was a white dude, it did not involve an aircraft. So far it's the Muslims that are the ones going after planes.

We'll stop calling them on it when they stop trying to down planes.
 
taffer said:
I wonder what pro photogs having to travel for assignment are doing now 😕

I foresee a new incoming business as rent-a-camera places in airports. Get what you want at your destination, check it in back before leaving, they take care of sending your rolls home or (more likely) burn you dvd's with the contents of the cards.

Any interested partner ? 😛

Oscar

sounds like a brilliant idea! lets get rich off this beyatch 😀
 
As far as using small electronic items as detonators goes, the Israelis in 1996 lured a Palestinian bomb-maker known as "The Engineer" into getting his cell phone fixed at a place the Israelis controlled. If I remember correctly, they knew he'd pass the damaged cell phone along through friends to a particular shop. So every time his number (which their intelligence service had obtained) was fired up, they jammed it. The guy thought his cell phone was wrecked, so he sent it back to the shop for warranty service, and the Israelis slipped a little C4 into it. When the phone was returned to the Engineer, the next time he used it...the reception was terminally clear. The point being that very small devices can be used as housing for explosives, and as far as I know, plastique could be molded to look liike anything. So for the time being...maybe it's better to buy the water (Coke, Gatoraide) on the plane... The real problem is going to come if they try to ban laptops; half the people on the plane use laptops to do work that they don't have time to do at the office...

JC
 
patrickjames said:
I love how we are all told we were in grave danger but no information is provided, ever. Are we just supposed to trust them blindly? This is all a bunch of crap and more freedom is eroded away. To me all of the actions that have been taken in the name of "fighting terrorism" are a means of suppression of the populace. It is a way for our governments to exercise a sort of control over our behavior. If you question it, then you are not patriotic. I am sure someone will flame me for this but it is true. Are we really better off for it?

By the way just because someone is a terrorist does not mean that they are Arab, and in any case one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Just ask the Palistinians.

On October 23, 1983 I was the aircraft maintenance department head aboard the USS Iwo Jima, (LPH-2). We were on station a couple of miles off the coast of Beirut. Our mission was "Peace Keeping." Early in the morning, after the Marine barracks was attacked, we closed to about a half mile off the airport ,which is located right on the beach, and started a helicopter airlift of the wounded to our ship. When the dust settled, we had 220 dead marines, 18 dead sailors and 3 dead soldiers ashore and approximately 200-300 wounded aboard our ship. The sickbay which is very large aboard a LPH overflowed and we ended up with about 150 injured marines on our hanger deck, all with IVs stuck in their arms and volunteers holding their hands.

The very fact that you are in a free country and can express yourself on forums such as this without fear, makes you a potential terrorist target. Some may call them "Freedom Fighters," however, I have another name for those that commit senseless acts of murder.

PS.. In 1985, I put my wife on a TWA flight at the Rome airport for a return flight to the USA. About a week later, "Freedom Fighters," attacked the TWA counter in the Rome airport with machine guns, killing many innocent people. Rant over.
 
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kmack said:
Gee, all this after realitive calm for the last few years, and the US midterm elections only months away...
How dare you harbor the same thoughts as I! 😉

Of course, I believe the efficacy of the plot...but these guys were being shadowed for months, apparently. And the symbolic close proximity to early September fits in as well. Not puttin' the shiny hat on just yet, but I'm watching this story awfully closely.

Last time I had to fly domestically (2004) I joked about how Amtrak starts looking better every month. Not a joke now, and suddenly, cruise ships aren't looking as archaic as they did a few years back, either.


- Barrett
 
taffer said:
I wonder what pro photogs having to travel for assignment are doing now 😕

I foresee a new incoming business as rent-a-camera places in airports. Get what you want at your destination, check it in back before leaving, they take care of sending your rolls home or (more likely) burn you dvd's with the contents of the cards.

Any interested partner ? 😛
Oy. Looks like it's digital for me again for my next trip. The can't knock the pixels out of alignment --- I'll be pretty pissed if they can accomplish that feat.

Great idea...but...the logistics! OY
 
John Camp said:
As far as using small electronic items as detonators goes, the Israelis in 1996 lured a Palestinian bomb-maker known as "The Engineer" into getting his cell phone fixed at a place the Israelis controlled. If I remember correctly, they knew he'd pass the damaged cell phone along through friends to a particular shop. So every time his number (which their intelligence service had obtained) was fired up, they jammed it. The guy thought his cell phone was wrecked, so he sent it back to the shop for warranty service, and the Israelis slipped a little C4 into it. When the phone was returned to the Engineer, the next time he used it...the reception was terminally clear. The point being that very small devices can be used as housing for explosives, and as far as I know, plastique could be molded to look liike anything. So for the time being...maybe it's better to buy the water (Coke, Gatoraide) on the plane... The real problem is going to come if they try to ban laptops; half the people on the plane use laptops to do work that they don't have time to do at the office...

JC
That's what has me worried as well: it's sort of a better-mouse-trap-versus-better-mouse situation here, and I don't think it'll be long before someone (likely multiple "someones" as in this case) attempts a slip-through with a laptop equipped with a a little something "extra". Hopefully that will fail as well, but what happens afterward will make the current "inconvenience" seem trivial.


- Barrett
 
Al Patterson said:
And what rock are you hiding under? While Oklahomka city was a white dude, it did not involve an aircraft. So far it's the Muslims that are the ones going after planes.

We'll stop calling them on it when they stop trying to down planes.
Nice. Just like all underdeveloped nations will stop calling on Westerners when they stop subjugating all underdeveloped nations?

And around and around and around we go. Where does it stop? On their side? I think the astigmatism has to stop at home. Hate is hate is hate.
 
amateriat said:
Last time I had to fly domestically (2004) I joked about how Amtrak starts looking better every month. Not a joke now, and suddenly, cruise ships aren't looking as archaic as they did a few years back, either.

of course there is the achilles laurel all those years ago...

but yes...planes and boats are good.
 
John Robertson said:
I wouldn't worry about that Ash!! There's a fair chance the camera won't be there anyway!! Especially if you use one of the suitcases you get now which close with a zipper, two minutes with a Stanley knife will sort that!!
I have a friend who used to work at Heathrow, his advice was never put valuables in your case, they are x-rayed, so the thiieves know exactly which cases to target, they just opened the candy store!!!😱


EXACTLY!!!!

You can't trust ANYONE. I think that's what's wrong with the world. OK OK back a few hundred years ago when we were barbaric stealing and killing was fine, but in a culture you have to be polite to strangers, what the hell gives someone a right to x-ray your belongings and take what they like from them???

UGH This is ridiculous. I'm not a racist, and the IRA, Nazi's, Vietnam, Crusades, etc etc etc proved your nationality, race or belief is not what's important. Every human is sick, be it a Musllim or Arab or true British or American Citizen.


This world needs a wakeup call. I'm sick of people labelling others. And I'm sick of these 'terrorists'.

It's now affecting my only true loves in this world. And that's going far enough.
 
Liquids 'central to bomb plot'

Liquids 'central to bomb plot'

Follow this link to watch a streaming BBC report featuring an Explosives Expert mixing liquids in a standard plastic film can and produce an explosion that blows an impressive hole in a steel plate.......
 
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