Calling new 35 Summarit users/former users

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I am wondering how some of you 35 2.5 Summarit users feel now that you have been using your lenses for a while, such as:

  • Build/sense of quality?
  • Handling gremlins?
  • Image quality - particularly satisfaction compared to other Leica lenses
Is this one that you feel is a compromise or the best choce you could have made? I am particularly interested in the tonality and image rendering, which from what I saw on Guy Mancuso's threads looked second to none, even when up against the asph cron and V4.
 
I am wondering how some of you 35 2.5 Summarit users feel now that you have been using your lenses for a while, such as:
  • Build/sense of quality?
  • Handling gremlins?
  • Image quality - particularly satisfaction compared to other Leica lenses
Is this one that you feel is a compromise or the best choce you could have made? I am particularly interested in the tonality and image rendering, which from what I saw on Guy Mancuso's threads looked second to none, even when up against the asph cron and V4.

Hi nonturtle,

Seem that you are very interested in summarit 35 according to your past posts🙂

I got my summarit 35 one year and half ago with my MP and summarit 90. Summarits were just released that time. It was my first purchase of Leica. Although both my summarits had focus shift problem from the very begining (the QC of Leica nowaday....), they perform pretty well after Leica fixed it.

I am still a newbie, so I haven't experienced many lenses. I now own summarit 35 and 90, summilux 35 preA and ZM Sonnar, and used to have a summicron 50 current version. As to build quality, handling and so on, I think summarit 35 is pretty well among the lenses I have experienced. Image quality is the last thing you have to worry about summarit 35, the famous MTF monster Erwin Puts even ranked it higher than ASPH.

I do not have the ability to sense the tiny difference between resolution, sharpness and so on, since most modern 35mm RF lenses have reached high standard in these aspects. What I like about summarit 35 is that it has modern lens performance with smooth, comfortable rendition. I also love the feeling of its warm colors. I know some indicate that it even outperform preA in bokeh, but I do not have a cron preA and I don't do bokeh shots so I personally cannot confirm it. Maybe I should try out more bokeh shots in the future. According to Erwin Puts it's quite flare-resistant among Leica lenses, but it does flare under some circumstances, so a hood is necessary. My personal experience is that Zeiss beats Leica thoroughly on flare-resistance. I am always trying to figure out how to get my Sonnar flare.

To be honest, my favs are summilux 35 preA and sonnar because of their unique signature, especially in B/W. But summarit 35 reaches a better balance between performance and signature. It is my first choice for traveling and general purposes, especially for color works.

I don't think it's a compromise product, the only reason people get this idea is because of Leica's stupid marketing strategy. Among Leica's current 35 lineup, I think it provides the best choice for people who do not need lens that fast.

If I am going to choose between a brand new summarit 35 and a cron preA, maybe I'll get a preA. But if I am going to choose between a second hand summarit 35 (seems to be around 900USD right now) and a preA, I definitely will go for summarit 35. ASPH is just not my taste. I started to wear glasses when I was very small because of reading too much comics (Doraemon I guessed), so I don't have strong eyes. Images that are too sharp and too contrasty make my eyes hurt😛

There's a group dedicated to summarit 35 on flickr, you can give it a look. I have contributed some photos there, unfortunately, my photos probably may serve more as disincentives😱
 
I tested a 35 Summarit for a review. I shot about 750 frames with an M8 and about 15 rolls of film (Fuji Neopan Acros, Neopan/Presto 400 and Neopan/Super Presto 1600) with it over a 2 week period.
  • Build/sense of quality?
As good as any current Leica lens. This doesn't necessarily indicate if it has plastic or glue holding it together inside, if the aperture is a single unit that can't be fixed if it breaks, or how the elements are held in place (neither do *I* care about any of those things).
  • Handling gremlins?
It handles really well. The focus tab is handy if you're used to them. It is tiny, which can take some getting used to, but everything is completely workable.
  • Image quality - particularly satisfaction compared to other Leica lenses
The 35 Summarit's image quality is the most satisfying to me of any Leica 35. I think that the aspherical and ASPH lenses have contrast that is too high and can have harsh tonality, particularly in B&W. It holds up better wide open than any of the pre-ASPH Summicrons, but has the same well-balanced contrast, excellent tonality and great bokeh (if you care about that). In particular, I always thought of the the version IV pre-asph Summicron (vIV) as an f4 lens because wider open it just didn't have enough contrast for me. The Summarit is also much less prone to flare than the vIV. The vIV probably has better bokeh from f4-f8 and focused at 2-5 metres, but that's a pretty limited 'advantage'. In terms of pure resolution the Summicron ASPH is better. If you need speed the Summilux aspherical or ASPH lenses and the C-V Nokton 35/1.2 are obviously much faster, but they are big (especially the Nokton), the Summiluxes have the tonality issues I mentioned above and on an M8 display focus shift.

>Is this one that you feel is a compromise or the best choce you could have made?

If you do not need a fast lens, this one or the Zeiss ZM 35/2.8 (which is even more flare resistant according to data presented by Erwin Puts) are unlikely to present as compromises, unless one of the factors above is really important to you. The ZM 35/2.8 has an odd focusing 'bump' that I don't like as much as a tab but is also optically excellent, but some reports suggest that the ZM lenses may not mechanically stand up to use that Leica lenses can take. I've never used a ZM or C-V lens enough to find out.

I hope this helps.

Marty
 
I have two new Summarits (35mm & 50mm) in a three-lens outfit, the third being a 90mm Elmarit; these are used with a M6TTL.

I don't have much Leica experience so I can't offer any direct comparisons. However I have no reservations about the Summarits in terms of performance. Some years ago I had a different Leica outfit that included a 50mm Summicron, and in terms of handling, heft, focussing, etc, the Summarit is on a par with the Summicron. The comparative slowness doesn't bother me as I shoot a lot of Ilford XP2 400 ASA, so I'm not normally wishing I had something wider than f2.5.

They're both small, light (by Leica standards) and make up an excellent go-anywhere package.

I only recently bought the 90mm, and would again have been happy to have the Summarit. But my dealer had a couple of s/h examples of the 1990s Elmarit at about half the price of a (new) Summarit, and I was keen to try this much-lauded lens.
 
I have recently bought one.

The image quality is very, very good, lower contrast than the ASPH's but very subtle, mellow tones. I love it! Sizewise it is perfect: reminds me of the old Summaron 2.8 or the Summicron 8-elements.

One thing that bothers me is that the aperture and focusing rings seem to be very light, almost "loose". Has anyone experienced that, or is it just my copy? Can the lens be sent for "tightening" of those mechanisms?
 
Good stuff - keep it coming!

I think the 35 summarit is the most interesting lens leica has introduced in the last decade....
 
I can only second everything that others have written here. I have virtually no experience with other M-mount 35s, so I can't say how my Summarit compares. But it's a superb lens, the best I own. The rendering is delicate and clean, and as posters have commented, it avoids the high contrast of other modern lenses. Handling is so good it's almost invisible -- it just does what you want it to. I'm now thinking of getting the 50 as well, though it would have to be exceptional to replace my Hex 50/2!
 
I should add that one thing about the Summarit that does bother me is the barrel distortion, quite noticeable where the subject has straight lines. Oh well, can't have everything.
 
I haven't noticed any barrel distortion on mine? Nor have I noticed focus shift...

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Sorry most of it is wide open, low light, handheld with either HP5 or FP4+

Here is one in good light at f/5.6

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Unfortunately money is slim for me at the moment and I'm thinking I might sell it since I really want to try the new 50/1.1 nokton, most of my shots on my M6 being portraits...
 
thrice,

Thats severe! Are these from scanned negs that could have bowed? Looks like something is seriously wrong there! Thats WAY more than should be possible with a lens performing to spec!
 
No it's not a crop. The barrel distortion of the 35 Summarit ranges up to nearly 2.0%, which as far as I know is fairly high for a 35mm lens. With mine, it seems more severe the less the lens is parallel with the picture plane. Most of the time it is hardly apparent. I'm not crazy about it, but I can live with it, as photographers who own, say, the Nokton 35/1.4 have decided too.
 
Actually, I just realized that the pillared ledge that guy is sitting on in my photo is CURVED, which creates the illusion of distortion. Also the photo is tilted to the right overall. So maybe this photo gives an exaggerated impression of the Summarit's distortion.
 
Is there such a big distortion (if really is ) than other Summicron Version?? No ASPH

I always see the people compared it with the V4, most of the people V4 is better V4 is better. But rarely can say how better of V4 it is. I always think it comes from their perception, not so real
 
I suspect the same. Buying a V4 is like buying your own piece of Leica legend. Great lens I am sure, but the Summarit seams to have an amazing balance of characteristics including smooter bokeh at the wider apertures from what I have seen. The V4 is smaller and less perfect, but perhaps thats the main appeal. But the prices are ridiculous IMO.
 
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