Camera with cine film frame size.

[berci]

Hello All,

I would like to take still pictures just like a 35mm cine camera would do, so same frame size and same orientation of film.

What would be the easyest way of doing this?

A 35mm cine camera in still mode or something similar?

Thank you and best regards,
Bertalan

 

[B-9]

uh... a full frame DSLR with a ARRI lens adapter? PL I assume.

Not exactly sure what benefit you would get from shooting stills with a Cine camera.

Hope you find what your looking for!

 

[rogue_designer]

Cine 35mm is half frame (vertical film orientation, with horizontal image, 24mm wide). Unfortunately, I don't know of any half frame cameras that oriented the film correctly to mimic it - you could always run a Pen FT on it's side.

Digitally, M4/3 is pretty close, and it's easy to adapt cine lenses to most m4/3 bodies. Just need to crop it a bit to get the right aspect ratio.

 

[berci]

Pen FT it is then by the looks of it, it has to be film.
Or a cine camera, whichever is cheaper.
Thanks a lot.

 

[Timmyjoe]

I used to service motion picture cameras. Back in the day, you could take an Arriflex 2C (35mm motion picture camera) and a roll of AgfaPan APX-100 (the now discontinued version, not the new stuff), load it up in a 200 ft mag, and shoot it through. Used to use an old set of Cooke Speed Panchro lenses. Made beautiful B&W images. Kind of a waste of film though.

The perforation spacing on modern 35mm still film is slightly different than the perforation spacing on motion picture camera film, so Tri-X and the like will probably jam on you.

Best,
-Tim

 

[berci]

Would all of the proper film Pens work, like the PEN E?
It's for a play project and trying to keep the cost down.

 

[berci]

Thanks this is very useful info, rules the Cine cameras out.
Would have been good though.

I used to service motion picture cameras. Back in the day, you could take an Arriflex 2C (35mm motion picture camera) and a roll of AgfaPan APX-100 (the now discontinued version, not the new stuff), load it up in a 200 ft mag, and shoot it through. Used to use an old set of Cooke Speed Panchro lenses. Made beautiful B&W images. Kind of a waste of film though.

The perforation spacing on modern 35mm still film is slightly different than the perforation spacing on motion picture camera film, so Tri-X and the like will probably jam on you.

Best,
-Tim

 

[rogue_designer]

Would all of the proper film Pens work, like the PEN E?
It's for a play project and trying to keep the cost down.

I believe all film Olympus "Pen" cameras, were half frame. I know the EE was. I suggested the FT because I wasn't sure if you were going to try to adapt lenses, or if interchangeable lenses was important.

Your aspect ratio may still be a little off. Some masking may be needed. But you should be close.

Example Pen F film strip. (From the Online Photographer)

 

[filmtwit]

Full frame?
Academy aperture?
Scope?

http://standards.smpte.org/content/978-1-61482-292-9/st-59-1998/SEC1.refs


My suggestion is a Mitchell R35 if you want the above.

 

[john neal]

You can still get short lengths of cine film from some dealers if you hunt around - I have 1,000ft of Kodak XX - OK, B&W, but you can sometimes pick up colour too. Depends what you need I suppose

 

[nongfuspring]

On digital APSC is closest to 35mm cine, m43 sensor size is comparable to 110 film.

Easiest way is to just use a half frame camera, the exposure size is more or less exactly the same. Olympus made a lot of very successful and quite nice zone focus half frame cameras and usually can mostly be had for less than $50, the miniature SLR pen F and FT cost more.

 

[rogue_designer]

On digital APSC is closest to 35mm cine, m43 sensor size is comparable to 110 film.

Right you are. Bad math on my part. I appreciate the correction.

 

[Mephiloco]

A Pen produces 4 Perf negs, Super35 is 4 perf. Winner Winner chicken dinner. Cut that in half and you have cinemascope. One thing to consider is that none of your still lenses will have the resolution of cine lenses, though it probably won't matter for your purposes.

As far as getting a 'cine camera' to shoot stills, that's absurd for a number of reasons. First, you'd need PL mount lenses for a modern camera, BNC or BNCR lenses for older cameras (like a Mitchell). Second, all of those cameras are heavy. Just the film mag is going to weigh more than a stills camera. You'd need a set of Ronford Bakers for support and a mitchell mount head (an old oconnor I guess). Third, Power. Most people don't own cine batteries. Fourth, discretion. Unless you're in a studio good luck cracking out a film camera and not getting hassled, either by law enforcement, pedestrians, etc.

So basically just get a Pen. Cine stuff is meant to shoot cine; it's heavy, expensive, and more suited for a purpose other than what you're seeking to use it.

 

[Mephiloco]

uh... a full frame DSLR with a ARRI lens adapter? PL I assume.

Not exactly sure what benefit you would get from shooting stills with a Cine camera.

Hope you find what your looking for!

Pretty much no PL Lenses can illuminate a full 35mm sensor, not even Master Primes. You'd also have to remove the mirror on the 5D/7D. An alternative would be throwing an PL mount on a A7S and switching to Super35 mode.

 

[berci]

Thanks I did realise that and if I could get a Pen F past the commander in chief I would definitely go for one of those.

I believe all film Olympus "Pen" cameras, were half frame. I know the EE was. I suggested the FT because I wasn't sure if you were going to try to adapt lenses, or if interchangeable lenses was important.

Your aspect ratio may still be a little off. Some masking may be needed. But you should be close.

Example Pen F film strip. (From the Online Photographer)