dave lackey
Veteran
Can we get a concensus on what exactly is a "Point and Shoot"?
Four cameras in four days. A Nikon 990, 995, 5400 and a Canon Sureshot A720is. These were the four cameras I used extensively for four consecutive days last week.
I find the Canon handy for taking snapshots and don't really want to be bothered with photography...rare but true. The Nikons are quite interesting with the 5400 being the best as far as being consistent and closer to what I am used to. I am getting some character images from the 990 and 995 that I did not expect. So, I will continue working with them in anticipation of making them available for my photography classes.
The 5400...is good enough to earn backup status in my bag. Not good enough for first string, but good enough to CMA for the time being as well as shoot the kids.
Would I classify these as P&S? Absolutely because they are not easy to use manually. Not at all. Menus are typically screwed up as with all Nikon digitals that I have used with too many menus and choices. Simplicity went out the window with Nikon years ago. But, set them up with P and sometimes Automatic, shoot away and you go away with decent images. Not the IQ I am used to but okay.
But the question is...what defines a P&S camera anyway? Any DSLR can be used as a P&S albeit a bear to lug around, etc. Is there a real definition or is it the urban myth by DSLR users that anything else is a P&S?:angel:
My first prerequisite for a NON-P&S is ease of use in manual modes.
Four cameras in four days. A Nikon 990, 995, 5400 and a Canon Sureshot A720is. These were the four cameras I used extensively for four consecutive days last week.
I find the Canon handy for taking snapshots and don't really want to be bothered with photography...rare but true. The Nikons are quite interesting with the 5400 being the best as far as being consistent and closer to what I am used to. I am getting some character images from the 990 and 995 that I did not expect. So, I will continue working with them in anticipation of making them available for my photography classes.
The 5400...is good enough to earn backup status in my bag. Not good enough for first string, but good enough to CMA for the time being as well as shoot the kids.
Would I classify these as P&S? Absolutely because they are not easy to use manually. Not at all. Menus are typically screwed up as with all Nikon digitals that I have used with too many menus and choices. Simplicity went out the window with Nikon years ago. But, set them up with P and sometimes Automatic, shoot away and you go away with decent images. Not the IQ I am used to but okay.
But the question is...what defines a P&S camera anyway? Any DSLR can be used as a P&S albeit a bear to lug around, etc. Is there a real definition or is it the urban myth by DSLR users that anything else is a P&S?:angel:
My first prerequisite for a NON-P&S is ease of use in manual modes.
ronnies
Well-known
My personal definition of a 'point & shoot' camera would be any camera that gives you no control over the exposure or focus settings. If you can take control then the camera is not a 'point & shoot' even though it may have that mode.
Ronnie
Ronnie
__hh
Well-known
"a camera that is inferior to my standards, but I am so good that even/only I can make superior photos with it"
Sparrow
Veteran
It starts with cameras that have no manual controls whatsoever and then gets increasingly difficult to classify after that.
Aristophanes
Well-known
P&S is a function of a camera, not necessarily a type of camera.
At its simplest, it is automated focus (point) exposure (shoot).
My DSLR has a P&S setting and it works quite nicely. Program Mode is a type of P&S automation and it is the user's choice to do so at the expense of manual focus and exposure.
At its simplest, it is automated focus (point) exposure (shoot).
My DSLR has a P&S setting and it works quite nicely. Program Mode is a type of P&S automation and it is the user's choice to do so at the expense of manual focus and exposure.
bjornkeizers
Established
I consider it a P&S if it fits in my pocket, has a non-interchangable lens and does autofocus & autoexposure.
It does get tricky on occasion. The Minox 35 is small, fixed lens, auto-exposure but... manual focus. However, if you were to set the appropriate aperture and focus range, you wouldn't need that anyway.
It does get tricky on occasion. The Minox 35 is small, fixed lens, auto-exposure but... manual focus. However, if you were to set the appropriate aperture and focus range, you wouldn't need that anyway.
Sparrow
Veteran
geez ... it's a camera one can use when drunk
Corto
Well-known
"My first prerequisite for a NON-P&S is ease of use in manual modes."
Yeah, To a point I agree.
But while somewhat cumbersome I have shot a Nikon 995 manually for years.
Yeah, To a point I agree.
But while somewhat cumbersome I have shot a Nikon 995 manually for years.
semilog
curmudgeonly optimist
A P&S is any relatively simple camera designed after 1980 (usually a camera that has AF) that a Leicaphile wishes to denigrate.
;-)
;-)
coelacanth
Ride, dive, shoot.
+1.
I have a designated "drunk camera" for drinking situations I know I can't trust myself with more "serious" cameras. My current drunk camera is XA. Although it has Aperture priority, +1.5 compensation and even rangefinder focusing, I'd say XA is a P&S, and it's a certified drunk-ready camera.
dave lackey
Veteran
+1.
I have a designated "drunk camera" for drinking situations I know I can't trust myself with more "serious" cameras. My current drunk camera is XA. Although it has Aperture priority, +1.5 compensation and even rangefinder focusing, I'd say XA is a P&S, and it's a certified drunk-ready camera.
Sug, that is the best answer yet....certified drunk-ready camera! Or in my case, dumb-ass proof.
dave lackey
Veteran
"My first prerequisite for a NON-P&S is ease of use in manual modes."
Yeah, To a point I agree.
But while somewhat cumbersome I have shot a Nikon 995 manually for years.
Yeah, been having fun with the 995 and my business partner carried one everyday while I had the D2H...
I am finding it an interesting experience along with the 990.:angel: And the 5400.
Aristophanes
Well-known
Sug, that is the best answer yet....certified drunk-ready camera! Or in my case, dumb-ass proof.
Browsing Lomography photos, a lot of people appear to be drunk and using cheap, plastic manual something-or-other cameras.
Maybe not drunk enough?
Gabriel M.A.
My Red Dot Glows For You
Can we define what "define" means?
Sparrow
Veteran
+1.
I have a designated "drunk camera" for drinking situations I know I can't trust myself with more "serious" cameras. My current drunk camera is XA. Although it has Aperture priority, +1.5 compensation and even rangefinder focusing, I'd say XA is a P&S, and it's a certified drunk-ready camera.
... there we go
pagpow
Well-known
Can we define what "define" means?
Well, OK, I'll try, I think "define" means to ....
dave lackey
Veteran
Can we define what "define" means?
Easy...is an X100 a point and shoot? Is a Leica D Lux 5 a point and shoot? Is a Nikon 1 a point and shoot? Is a D4 a point and shoot?
If so or if not, why? Even this very forum is a category of point and shoot cameras but which ones are to be in this category?
bugmenot
Well-known
I think of a "point and shoot" camera as any fixed lens camera that has an "auto" mode of some form. You point, perhaps compose, and shoot. Everything else is done for you. This applies whether it is digital or film. All other options are just that, options.
On this forum, the only "point and shoot" that due to some mysterious reason received its own forum is the X100.
On this forum, the only "point and shoot" that due to some mysterious reason received its own forum is the X100.
Terry Christian
Established
Can we define what "define" means?
Comment est-ce qu'on dit define?
A point-and-shoot camera is a camera that has almost no user controls except to point it at a subject and to shoot -- except to perhaps focus and to set the flash. No aperture control, no shutter control, few exposure controls, and no capability to add filters, larger flash units, or other accessories.