agoglanian
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Does this lens work, and work well with our R-D1s? i want a fast lens, ( and im a sucker for big lenses too) and before i commit to buying a 50mm f/2 planar, i was still keeping the nokton in the back of my mind, and then i crossed paths with the canon f/1.2 and it was like love at first sight. ( i had to rule out the f/.95 for being too rediculous lol )
einolu
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what about the 35mm voigtlander nokton. its certainly a very large lens. I personally want a 35mm ultron.
jlw
Rangefinder camera pedant
Good thing you ruled out the 50/0.95, because it won't fit an R-D 1 without an expensive custom modification! (It doesn't have a regular LTM thread mount, so can't use a screw-to-bayonet adapter; it mounts via a special external breech lock flange that's present only on the Canon 7 and 7s.) I'm not even 100% positive that an M-adapted version would fit; nobody seems to have tried it. (I don't want to shell out to have mine converted, because I like using it on my Canon 7s.)
As to the 50/1.2: I've got one, I've used it on the R-D 1, and yes, it works. It works well if you prefer a low-contrast, somewhat soft image. It's nowhere near as sharp at wide apertures as the 50/1.4 or a 50/1.5 Nokton, but the out-of-focus areas have a "glow" that's very nice if you like that look.
Sean's review of fast lenses for the R-D 1 on Luminous Landscape has some comparison photos taken with the all the lenses you mention except the Planar (I guess Zeiss couldn't get one to him in time) so if you look at that you'll be able to see for yourself the plus and minus points.
Meanwhile, I'll try to dig up a sample photo or two taken with mine, but it may take a while.
As to the 50/1.2: I've got one, I've used it on the R-D 1, and yes, it works. It works well if you prefer a low-contrast, somewhat soft image. It's nowhere near as sharp at wide apertures as the 50/1.4 or a 50/1.5 Nokton, but the out-of-focus areas have a "glow" that's very nice if you like that look.
Sean's review of fast lenses for the R-D 1 on Luminous Landscape has some comparison photos taken with the all the lenses you mention except the Planar (I guess Zeiss couldn't get one to him in time) so if you look at that you'll be able to see for yourself the plus and minus points.
Meanwhile, I'll try to dig up a sample photo or two taken with mine, but it may take a while.
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peterbilitch
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The Canon 50mm f/1.2 can be used with the R-D1. If you are interested, I currently have one for sale together with the shade and leather case [I also have the f/1.4 which I prefer simply in terms of the smaller body size].
If you like, I can post a few images so as to give you some idea of the results.
Peter
If you like, I can post a few images so as to give you some idea of the results.
Peter
agoglanian
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yes i would be very interested in seeing some samples. size does not bother me, im just concerned about image quality and sharpness. i have heard it has somewhat of a soft glow about it? can you still pull sharp images?
also, can you PM me with a price?
also, can you PM me with a price?
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peterbilitch
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Canon 50mm f/1.2 LTM lens test
Canon 50mm f/1.2 LTM lens test
Here is a series of test shots exposed using the Canon 50mm f/1.2 LTM lens.
http://peterbilitch.smugmug.com/gallery/722632
Images 1 to 5 - f/1.2 f/1.4 f/2 f/2.8 f/4 ISO 200:
Exposed in a room lit by a standard lamp situated at the left side of the room and behind the camera. The light source was about five metres distant from the bookshelf and the camera.
Images 6 to 10 - f/5.6 f/6 f/11 f/16 f/22 ISO 200:
Exposed with a table lamp situated about 30 cms to the right front side of the camera and about one metre directly in front of the bookshelf.
Images 11 to 13 - f/22 ISO 400 800 1600:
Exposed with a table lamp situated about 30 cms to the right front side of the camera and about one metre directly in front of the bookshelf.
Peter
Canon 50mm f/1.2 LTM lens test
Here is a series of test shots exposed using the Canon 50mm f/1.2 LTM lens.
http://peterbilitch.smugmug.com/gallery/722632
Images 1 to 5 - f/1.2 f/1.4 f/2 f/2.8 f/4 ISO 200:
Exposed in a room lit by a standard lamp situated at the left side of the room and behind the camera. The light source was about five metres distant from the bookshelf and the camera.
Images 6 to 10 - f/5.6 f/6 f/11 f/16 f/22 ISO 200:
Exposed with a table lamp situated about 30 cms to the right front side of the camera and about one metre directly in front of the bookshelf.
Images 11 to 13 - f/22 ISO 400 800 1600:
Exposed with a table lamp situated about 30 cms to the right front side of the camera and about one metre directly in front of the bookshelf.
Peter
parks5920
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That 1.2 is a SWEET lens, no matter what some people say.
Canon 50mm F1.2, all wide-open,
Wide-Open on the Canon 7:
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=4613&cat=3204&page=10
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=3623&cat=3204&page=1
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=3437&cat=3204&page=9
Wide-Open on the Canon 7:
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=4613&cat=3204&page=10
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=3623&cat=3204&page=1
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=3437&cat=3204&page=9
agoglanian
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ive been offered a canon 50/ 1.2 for $300 ( not including the hood ) and i would have to get an adapter. considering this is less than the price of a new nokton, do you guys think its worth it? or should i go with the nokton instead?
laptoprob
back to basics
$300 is not much of a bargain. You can do better than that.
$300 depends on the condition. If it is crystal clear, smooth focus, smooth aperture, ie all the things that are evidence of a recent CLA, it's a good price. Look for haze on the surfaces near the aperture blades. This is common on Canon lenses. If the aperture oil really flowed, the cement between the elements can become somewhat discolored. This happened on the one I had, and the photo's shown are with it. The haze clears off, and the oil does not damage the coatings.
Now, all that said, if it is a really clean 50mm F1.2, it is worth $300.
Another shot with the 50mm F1.2 that I included in the for sale thread:
Wide-Open, at Sunset:
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6105
Now, all that said, if it is a really clean 50mm F1.2, it is worth $300.
Another shot with the 50mm F1.2 that I included in the for sale thread:
Wide-Open, at Sunset:
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6105
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peterbilitch
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Although they both provide wide open performance, the two lenses essentially differ in the type or style of image that will result.
The Voigtlander 50mm f/1.5 and 40mm f/1.4 Nokton lenses will provide a much greater level of clarity or sharpness than the Canon 50mm f/1.2. The Canon is able to open aperture blades slightly more than the Noktons, but this is of course only applicable to low-light exposures.
Indeed the difference in aperture capabilities is so slight that you may never notice the difference unless using the camera in AE mode and then reading the EXIF data to determine the precise shutter speed that was calculated by be onboard light meter, i.e. in manual mode you must shift between preset exposure timings, whereas the onboard processor in the camera's light meter has the abilty to implement a finer gradation of exposure timings.
The aim of my test shots was to show the performance of the lens in a low-light environment. In a situation where shadowed light is most prevalent, the Canon is able to provide a sufficient level of detail to ensure that the resultant image displays the more important features of the subject that will define the individual character of each object.
It is also pertinent to note, that the natural contrast of a darkened environment essentially negates the softness of image that would be seen when using the Canon in strongly lit environment or in normal daylight.
So the decision as to which lens you need, is more a question of the kind of image that you wish to develop. If you know that you would be unsatisfied with the softer image that results from using the Canon, then you should go for one of the Noktons. If you are more concerned with the content and creativity of the subject in your images and will only use this lens in low-light situations, then you can save yourself the extra cost of buying a newer lens.
As regards the price, if the lens really is in excellent condition, then $300 is not such a bad price to pay, especially if you consider how long you might wish to keep the lens. If the lens is only in a fairly good condition, then I would strongly suggest you wait upon another opportunity. Alternately, if you can wait for another two or three months until you can save the extra money for one of the Noktons, you would likely not be disappointed, and there is always the possibility that during this time any of these lenses may become available on the used market. The key point here, is to only accept the best that you can afford, and the magic ingredient for success in this and indeed in all matters, is patience :angel:
Peter
The Voigtlander 50mm f/1.5 and 40mm f/1.4 Nokton lenses will provide a much greater level of clarity or sharpness than the Canon 50mm f/1.2. The Canon is able to open aperture blades slightly more than the Noktons, but this is of course only applicable to low-light exposures.
Indeed the difference in aperture capabilities is so slight that you may never notice the difference unless using the camera in AE mode and then reading the EXIF data to determine the precise shutter speed that was calculated by be onboard light meter, i.e. in manual mode you must shift between preset exposure timings, whereas the onboard processor in the camera's light meter has the abilty to implement a finer gradation of exposure timings.
The aim of my test shots was to show the performance of the lens in a low-light environment. In a situation where shadowed light is most prevalent, the Canon is able to provide a sufficient level of detail to ensure that the resultant image displays the more important features of the subject that will define the individual character of each object.
It is also pertinent to note, that the natural contrast of a darkened environment essentially negates the softness of image that would be seen when using the Canon in strongly lit environment or in normal daylight.
So the decision as to which lens you need, is more a question of the kind of image that you wish to develop. If you know that you would be unsatisfied with the softer image that results from using the Canon, then you should go for one of the Noktons. If you are more concerned with the content and creativity of the subject in your images and will only use this lens in low-light situations, then you can save yourself the extra cost of buying a newer lens.
As regards the price, if the lens really is in excellent condition, then $300 is not such a bad price to pay, especially if you consider how long you might wish to keep the lens. If the lens is only in a fairly good condition, then I would strongly suggest you wait upon another opportunity. Alternately, if you can wait for another two or three months until you can save the extra money for one of the Noktons, you would likely not be disappointed, and there is always the possibility that during this time any of these lenses may become available on the used market. The key point here, is to only accept the best that you can afford, and the magic ingredient for success in this and indeed in all matters, is patience :angel:
Peter
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agoglanian
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well how about this then. i just won a Canon 7 w/ the 50 1.2 for $350 
i figure since i got the body along with it. its not too bad of a price heh! ( argh... my budget is gonna feel this pretty soon lol )
thanks for all the awesome input guys, i know i can always come to this forum for my rediculous ammount of questions that i amass over time.
i figure since i got the body along with it. its not too bad of a price heh! ( argh... my budget is gonna feel this pretty soon lol )thanks for all the awesome input guys, i know i can always come to this forum for my rediculous ammount of questions that i amass over time.
That is a great price for a rangefinder!
or a
CANON 7 35MM RAMGEFOMDER CAM,ERA...
Those typos cost the seller about $100 each.
or a
CANON 7 35MM RAMGEFOMDER CAM,ERA...
Those typos cost the seller about $100 each.
agoglanian
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I KNOW!!! lol i thought that was seriously hilarious, im really taking a chance with this guy/gal but i have faith it will be an easy transaction. ( lets hope they spell my address correctly )
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