palec
Well-known
I don't think ISO or exposure compensation settings are the ones I need to change right in the moment. Fixed-prefocus points and aperture would be much more useful. Anyway it's better to have those than nothing, but I can't get rid of the feeling they are there just to create illusion of manual control instead of really giving it.
VladimirV
Member
Ricoh have made it with the GX100 and GX200 already. Best controls you will find on any digital compact, very good image quality up to ISO 400 and 800 in b&w mode. The lens has less barrel distortion and fringing than either the G10 or LX3 although the LX3 software takes care of this when shooting JPG.
giellaleafapmu
Well-known
To my taste the real problem is the the small sensor. I have only seen files from newsgroups and tests in the internet but I have the feeling that noise and low light performance are not what I would like to have. After all the quality of a camera is all about the quality of the pictures it takes...
They are still too expensive but I would rather go with the DP1, DP2 or with a mini 4/3 if I will ever consider a pocketable digital camera.
GLF
They are still too expensive but I would rather go with the DP1, DP2 or with a mini 4/3 if I will ever consider a pocketable digital camera.
GLF
M4streetshooter
Tourist Thru Life
Having all 3, G10, LX3 and DP1 has been a trip. I love them all but....sold the LX3 because of a few issues..
1. In manual focus and being a streetshooter....if the camera falls asleep and then wakes up...it does not return to the focus distance set when it fell asleep...it comes back at 2xs the distance.
This rules out Hyperfocal shooting unless you hit the release every 8 minutes or so to keep it awake...
2. The lens is sharp but not as contrasty as the G10.
3. Even with Adobe supporting the camera now, as it stands after converting to DNG you end up with about a 36MG file......crazy.....
The G10 is a good camera and improved over my beloved G9. The lens itself is worth the investment.
The camera is small enough to work comfortable....(for those complaining about the large size....)
try this....take your DSLR and a big zoom and the G10 into a dark room....
wait a few minutes then pick up one camera...hold it...put it down, then pick up the other one...put it down, then come out of the dark room and enjoy the size of the G10.
The G10 has some noise....it can be dealt with.......it beats pushed Tri-x in any developer......
The DP1 is a gem.....it's slow, but that's good because it allows you to think and be precise in your quest for images....
I have the finder on it and it's as close to a mini M with a finder.....manual focus, A mode and set to hyperfocal distance and your good to go, no lag at all......if the camera sleeps, it comes awake to where you last had it set....WONDERFUL!
The IQ speaks for itself...the images are very analog and organic.
For working in a precise moment and being in the hear and now, the DP1 is the winner.....
shooter
1. In manual focus and being a streetshooter....if the camera falls asleep and then wakes up...it does not return to the focus distance set when it fell asleep...it comes back at 2xs the distance.
This rules out Hyperfocal shooting unless you hit the release every 8 minutes or so to keep it awake...
2. The lens is sharp but not as contrasty as the G10.
3. Even with Adobe supporting the camera now, as it stands after converting to DNG you end up with about a 36MG file......crazy.....
The G10 is a good camera and improved over my beloved G9. The lens itself is worth the investment.
The camera is small enough to work comfortable....(for those complaining about the large size....)
try this....take your DSLR and a big zoom and the G10 into a dark room....
wait a few minutes then pick up one camera...hold it...put it down, then pick up the other one...put it down, then come out of the dark room and enjoy the size of the G10.
The G10 has some noise....it can be dealt with.......it beats pushed Tri-x in any developer......
The DP1 is a gem.....it's slow, but that's good because it allows you to think and be precise in your quest for images....
I have the finder on it and it's as close to a mini M with a finder.....manual focus, A mode and set to hyperfocal distance and your good to go, no lag at all......if the camera sleeps, it comes awake to where you last had it set....WONDERFUL!
The IQ speaks for itself...the images are very analog and organic.
For working in a precise moment and being in the hear and now, the DP1 is the winner.....
shooter
los
Established
i have the g9. it replaced my dslr and 4x5 camera! why,
depth of field, something we value in LF sometimes
image stabilization
completely silent (i can shoot during takes on movie sets)
tiny and easy to carry everywhere, even with lens adapter and pola
painless 11x14's, and easy 16x20's
but,
don't shoot over 100 iso
wide end has bad barrel distortion
you'd better like working on a computer for good prints
depth of field, something we value in LF sometimes
image stabilization
completely silent (i can shoot during takes on movie sets)
tiny and easy to carry everywhere, even with lens adapter and pola
painless 11x14's, and easy 16x20's
but,
don't shoot over 100 iso
wide end has bad barrel distortion
you'd better like working on a computer for good prints
Muggins
Junk magnet
Just out of interest, having got a G10 and really still playing with it, I agree with whoever said that the flash is rather puny. However all my accesory flashes are fairly elderly so no doubt are high trigger voltage, and capable of toasting the G10's electronics.
Anyone any ideas as to how modern a flash I should be looking for? Or whether anyone has come up with an anti-fry adaptor
Adrian
(dangerously addicted to keeping old kit!)
Anyone any ideas as to how modern a flash I should be looking for? Or whether anyone has come up with an anti-fry adaptor
Adrian
(dangerously addicted to keeping old kit!)
__hh
Well-known
Canon EX flashes are designed to work with the G10 (or is it the other way around?).
The 220EX is a great companion - and the off-shoe cord is handy for off-camera/bounce lighting (or if that whacky Gilden dude inspires your style of shooting).
I have had success in using the ST-E2 with the 430/580EX series.
user237428934
User deletion pending
Tried my 430 on the G10. Technically it works. But then you can hardly handle the top-heavy camera.
Al Patterson
Ferroequinologist
I thought about getting a G10 to replace my Sony DSC-V3, which is 7.2 megapixels and about the same size as the G10. I bought a zoom for my DSLR instead, and will continue to use the Sony as long as it remains functional.
You might want to check some used 7 or 8 megapixel models and get them at a reasonable price. The Sony was $499 when i bought it, so I'm sure you could find something in it's class for a lot less.
monochromejrnl
Well-known
G10 - stitched panorama
G10 - stitched panorama
http://i.gizmodo.com/5137670/1474-m...norama-is-a-treasure-trove-of-candid-captures
massive sticked panaramic image of the Obama inauguration... takes a while to load but it's worth it... over 200+ images from a G10 stitched together...
G10 - stitched panorama
http://i.gizmodo.com/5137670/1474-m...norama-is-a-treasure-trove-of-candid-captures
massive sticked panaramic image of the Obama inauguration... takes a while to load but it's worth it... over 200+ images from a G10 stitched together...
Warren T.
Well-known
fwiw, this is the exact same reasoning that I went through that eventually led me to buy a Canon A570is. I found an excellent condition used one for $100. I chose the A570is over the current A590is because the A570is has a slightly better video mode which was important to me. If I were to buy today, I would choose the A590is because of the very good deals out there now for this camera.
--Warren
x-ray
Veteran
I've had my G10 since early November. SUPER camera! No complaints at all. It's small enough to fit in my pocket, light enough too, optics are excellent, Raw and JPG formats (various resolutions plus wide format, shoots 30fps video and does a great job at it, responsive even with the auto focus assist off and under low light and the ergonomics are very good. I particularly love the dials and ability to over ride auto functions very easily. Yes the camera has some electronic noise at higher ISO but film has grain too and it just a part of photography in my world. Actually I don't like a totally glass like image in every case and even with higher ISO noise I find the images quite acceptable and better than the equivalent ISO film in many cases. For those of you that pixel peep, STOP and Make Pictures! That's what cameras are for not analyzing every pixel at 100%.
If this were to be branded the G10 Leica it would immediately be proclaimed as the greatest thing since sliced bread. Just look at the crap that M8 users have dealt with and look at the dedication and loyalty they have for their camera. Noise, IR problems, crashes, shutter noise, high ISO noise and on and on and at $6,000+. This makes me wonder why anyone would complain about a little high ISO noise in the G10.
Buy one and learn the features then make pictures and enjoy. You won't be disappointed unless you're seeking the magic bullet.
If this were to be branded the G10 Leica it would immediately be proclaimed as the greatest thing since sliced bread. Just look at the crap that M8 users have dealt with and look at the dedication and loyalty they have for their camera. Noise, IR problems, crashes, shutter noise, high ISO noise and on and on and at $6,000+. This makes me wonder why anyone would complain about a little high ISO noise in the G10.
Buy one and learn the features then make pictures and enjoy. You won't be disappointed unless you're seeking the magic bullet.
user237428934
User deletion pending
It seems you don't know what you are talking about. You compare these two different camera types? I own both and I exactly know when not to choose the G10.
cbass
Nutmegger
Thanks for the advice, Warren. You and I seem to be on the same page here. One of the things I like about the G10 is its ability to accept filters via an inexpensive adapter ring. Luckily, the A590IS offers the same feature (and the A590IS filter size appears to be 52 mm, the same size required by my DSLR lenses). The ability to use a polarizer is important to me because I do lots of shooting near water.
At $109 from B&H the A590IS is hard to resist and I am leaning in that direction. I can live with the 20 FPS video, lo-res screen and slow flash recycle times. I've seen the new A1000IS and A2000IS and it looks like Canon has deleted the manual controls from its A-series cameras. The G10 will carry on but the "lowly" A590IS may be the last of its breed.
Warren T.
Well-known
Thanks for the advice, Warren. You and I seem to be on the same page here. One of the things I like about the G10 is its ability to accept filters via an inexpensive adapter ring. Luckily, the A590IS offers the same feature (and the A590IS filter size appears to be 52 mm, the same size required by my DSLR lenses). The ability to use a polarizer is important to me because I do lots of shooting near water.
At $109 from B&H the A590IS is hard to resist and I am leaning in that direction. I can live with the 20 FPS video, lo-res screen and slow flash recycle times. I've seen the new A1000IS and A2000IS and it looks like Canon has deleted the manual controls from its A-series cameras. The G10 will carry on but the "lowly" A590IS may be the last of its breed.
You can also buy it now from Amazon for the same price, but with free shipping. BTW, this was my first Canon (<gasp, choke>)
. I'm a Nikon system owner, but sadly, Nikon does not offer P&S digicams with the same level of performance and features as other brands. I can say after using the A570is for a vacation where it and a Yashica T4 (with Tri-X) were my only cameras, that I made the right choice with the A570is. My wife used the A570is most of the time, but whenever I did use it, I was very satisfied with how it worked out. I can say that the image stabilization really works, and the manual controls are lifesavers for difficult conditions that fooled the cameras "full auto" settings. The manual controls provide that extra level of flexibility that is really welcome.Sorry for hijacking this thread from the subject at hand (G10) :angel:
--Warren
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x-ray
Veteran
Your response is exactly the kind of response I've grown to expect on this forum and the reason I rarely post.
I write from my personal and professional experience. I'm not running in a popularity contest, selling magazines or writing paid reviews. I often get scolded for my opinions but that the way life is and I don't really care. They are my opinions and if someone doesn't like them then they can ignore them. It doesn't require being rude like some posts have been.
For those that own and love the M8, fantastic. I'm very happy for you. For those that disagree with me, that's life. My opinion stands as is.
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Ducky
Well-known
Some interesting opinions. I sold my G-10 in favor of the G9 for the slightly longer lens. I do not shoot wide very often so that feature of the G-10 was of no value to me.
I also have the A590, $104 at Amazon, and find it similar to the G9 in many areas but it's not as comfortable for me. It goes to my grandson on his birthday.
As far as the M8/G9/G-10 comments, I'm with x-ray. Leica owners can bitch to one another about the M8 faults but we, the great unwashed, dare not comment. My G9 is compact, stylish, efficient, pocketable and quiet. It takes pictures too, which is what we are about isn't it?
I also purchased a Canon SD1100 which is about the size of a deck of cards. It takes pictures too.
I also have the A590, $104 at Amazon, and find it similar to the G9 in many areas but it's not as comfortable for me. It goes to my grandson on his birthday.
As far as the M8/G9/G-10 comments, I'm with x-ray. Leica owners can bitch to one another about the M8 faults but we, the great unwashed, dare not comment. My G9 is compact, stylish, efficient, pocketable and quiet. It takes pictures too, which is what we are about isn't it?
I also purchased a Canon SD1100 which is about the size of a deck of cards. It takes pictures too.
sirius
Well-known
Geez, x-ray. I don't know why people say things like that to you. I guess they are not looking at your pictures before writing that. I appreciate hearing your thoughts, always. And what you say about this camera makes a big difference to me.
user237428934
User deletion pending
You throw in a post that is rather negative towards a certain group of camera users and use a word like "crap" and then you are astonished to get such a response? Sometimes I make some nasty comments but then I wouldn't be so surprised if someone writes a harsh response.
I looked at your photos here. Interesting reportage stuff with a MF camera. I am sure most of them could have been taken with a RF (analog or digital). Do you believe they could have been taken also with a G10?
VinceC
Veteran
I have a (by digital terms) ancient Canon g1 that just keeps working -- it has augmented the more serious cameras since it was purchased in December 2000. Great for taking digital notes, and I've had a couple of news photos published with it. My wife had a long-lived G2 that finally developed a harsh line across the frame, rather like a film scratch. For serveral years she used the G2 for newspaper work alongside larger cameras, and she is much more a photographer than an equipment person.
A year ago, I bought her a Nikon D40 to replace the Nikon FM2 that she no longer uses because she has no real need for film anymore. (I've never been able to convince her to get into rangefinders ... she's too wed to WYSIWYG viewing). She immediately hated the D40. Too large compared to her Canon G2, no preview screen (she's long ago moved beyond the eyelevel viewfinder and loved the G2 for its ability to be held at strange angles ... i don't think she's taken an eyelevel photo in half a decade). So she kept using the G2 and I use the D40 as a grab-and-go camera when the film RFs aren't going to work (birthday parties for kids).
Anyway, got her a G10 this holiday and she loves it. She wishes the lens were faster, because she always shot the g2 in unavailable darkness, f2 and 1/6th of the second. With IS, she can go even slower, so that helps.
She wishes the viewfinder would swivel like the older models, but most of the time she can see the image because of the quality of the screen in being viewed from odd angles.
She carries it over her shoulder, though it does fit into my jacket pocket as well, and she has thrown it into her purse.
The 28mm lens is just remarkable useful. The fact is, that, though the lenses are too slow, this G10 has the exact same lens range as my Nikon RFs without auxilary finders -- 28 to 135mm. ISO up top is very nice because that's a control we use a lot, trading off speed and quality for almost every shot.
Battery life isn't nearly as long as earlier G1/G2. We're just taking family pictures with these camera (even my RFs) but I seriously considering a G10 purchase for my office. These days I hlep run a government press office, with folks who do considerable traveling, and sometimes a DSLR is just too much camera when you're juggling several other projects simultaneously. Plus the movie mode is a good bonus for grabbing quick video.
For walking around, I still carry my film RFs -- mostly to get pictures of the kids and the stray work photo -- I use my Nokia cell phone for digital backup since it's always with me and has a 2MB capture via a lens with about 25mm coverage.
A year ago, I bought her a Nikon D40 to replace the Nikon FM2 that she no longer uses because she has no real need for film anymore. (I've never been able to convince her to get into rangefinders ... she's too wed to WYSIWYG viewing). She immediately hated the D40. Too large compared to her Canon G2, no preview screen (she's long ago moved beyond the eyelevel viewfinder and loved the G2 for its ability to be held at strange angles ... i don't think she's taken an eyelevel photo in half a decade). So she kept using the G2 and I use the D40 as a grab-and-go camera when the film RFs aren't going to work (birthday parties for kids).
Anyway, got her a G10 this holiday and she loves it. She wishes the lens were faster, because she always shot the g2 in unavailable darkness, f2 and 1/6th of the second. With IS, she can go even slower, so that helps.
She wishes the viewfinder would swivel like the older models, but most of the time she can see the image because of the quality of the screen in being viewed from odd angles.
She carries it over her shoulder, though it does fit into my jacket pocket as well, and she has thrown it into her purse.
The 28mm lens is just remarkable useful. The fact is, that, though the lenses are too slow, this G10 has the exact same lens range as my Nikon RFs without auxilary finders -- 28 to 135mm. ISO up top is very nice because that's a control we use a lot, trading off speed and quality for almost every shot.
Battery life isn't nearly as long as earlier G1/G2. We're just taking family pictures with these camera (even my RFs) but I seriously considering a G10 purchase for my office. These days I hlep run a government press office, with folks who do considerable traveling, and sometimes a DSLR is just too much camera when you're juggling several other projects simultaneously. Plus the movie mode is a good bonus for grabbing quick video.
For walking around, I still carry my film RFs -- mostly to get pictures of the kids and the stray work photo -- I use my Nokia cell phone for digital backup since it's always with me and has a 2MB capture via a lens with about 25mm coverage.