CCD vs CMOS, again

[farlymac]

Here are some photos taken with my Digilux 2 and its CCD sensor. They seem to me to have a lush quality that I don't remember ever seeing from other cameras. I don't know if it's the CCD sensor that made this difference, or the way the Digilux 2 processed the images.

I didn't do any enhancements in post. If any of these photos strike you as, well, striking, at least as far as color goes, could you say what makes them that way? In my mind they stand out from the usual stuff. I believe it's partly due to the brilliant Colorado sunshine, and partly to the vivid colors of the subjects themselves. Do you think there could be something else contributing, e.g. the CCD sensor or the in-camera processing? What words come to mind that describe the special character of these colors?

I'd say is has more to do with the in-camera image processing. That has been one of Leica's strengths when they went digital.

PF

 

[hap]

I'd say is has more to do with the in-camera image processing. That has been one of Leica's strengths when they went digital.

PF

Although have to stay at base iso 100......or bust with this interesting camera

 

[peterm1]

I'd say is has more to do with the in-camera image processing. That has been one of Leica's strengths when they went digital.

PF

I have found that I especially like Panasonic Lumix handling of files. and suspect it has to do more with their processing as across a range of Panasonics I have used I think they produce a similar aesthetic to the images. That is my impression in any event.

 

[ptpdprinter]

I have found that I especially like Panasonic Lumix handling of files. and suspect it has to do more with their processing as across a range of Panasonics I have used I think they produce a similar aesthetic to the images. That is my impression in any event.

The reason the Panasonic models produce an aesthetic similar to the Leicas is that the Leicas are made by Panasonic.

 

[boojum]

This has a lot of similarities with recorded music. Analog(ue) vs digital and is it the microphone (sensor) or the recorder amp (in-camera software). I doubt one piece can be isolated from the other with cameras just as they cannot be separated in recording. There are many variables. That aside I still see differences in CCD vs CMOS. I have not done a double blind test on this, true. Has anyone? But there does seem to be something better in CCD, to me. As always, YMMV.

 

[boojum]

The reason the Panasonic models produce an aesthetic similar to the Leicas is that the Leicas are made by Panasonic.

Hmmm, which Leicas? The SLR's? Not the M's.

 

[ptpdprinter]

Hmmm, which Leicas? The SLR's? Not the M's.

The images posted above were taken with a Leica Digilux 2 which is a variation of the Panasonic Lumix DCM-LC1. Panasonic made other cameras for Leica. You can look them up on Google. Minolta made the Leica CL and some of the R-series SLRs as well. The Leica Ms were made by Leica.

 

[boojum]

The images posted above were taken with a Leica Digilux 2 which is a variation of the Panasonic Lumix DCM-LC1. Panasonic made other cameras for Leica. You can look them up on Google. Minolta made the Leica CL and some of the R-series SLRs as well.

I knew about the Digilux 2 and, thankfully, I will resist buying one as good as they are. And I remember the Minolta/Leica film CL and took a number of photos with one when I lived in Montreal right after the last Ice Age. And Matt Osborne (Mr. Leica) buys Lumix SLR's as part of his Leica line-up. I guess like so many other businesses a lot of these manufacturers buy and sub from competitors. Sony sells a lot of sensors today. But, again, it is the mic > amp analogy: what mic, what amp?

 

[ptpdprinter]

I knew about the Digilux 2 and, thankfully, I will resist buying one as good as they are. And I remember the Minolta/Leica film CL and took a number of photos with one when I lived in Montreal right after the last Ice Age. And Matt Osborne (Mr. Leica) buys Lumix SLR's as part of his Leica line-up. I guess like so many other businesses a lot of these manufacturers buy and sub from competitors. Sony sells a lot of sensors today. But, again, it is the mic > amp analogy: what mic, what amp?

Both the mic and the amp are important. Both the sensor and the lens are important. Everything is important.

I don't know who "Matt Osborne (Mr. Leica)" is, and don't really care.

 

[dourbalistar]

I had a Ricoh GR Digital 4 for a little while, the last of the pre-APS-C models with a 10 megapixel 1/1.7″ CCD sensor. I actually liked the black and white output, but eventually sold it because I prefer using mechanical film cameras:


R0012247.jpg by dourbalistar, on Flickr



R0012558.jpg by dourbalistar, on Flickr



R0012755.jpg by dourbalistar, on Flickr

 

[dourbalistar]

Some color sample images from the Ricoh GR Digital 4:


R0012090.jpg by dourbalistar, on Flickr



R0012543.jpg by dourbalistar, on Flickr

 

[hap]

Both the mic and the amp are important. Both the sensor and the lens are important. Everything is important.

I don't know who "Matt Osborne (Mr. Leica)" is, and don't really care.

He sells.....sex

 

[hap]

Some color sample images from the Ricoh GR Digital 4:


R0012090.jpg by dourbalistar, on Flickr



R0012543.jpg by dourbalistar, on Flickr

Love this last picture

 

[boojum]

Both the mic and the amp are important. Both the sensor and the lens are important. Everything is important.

I don't know who "Matt Osborne (Mr. Leica)" is, and don't really care.

Agreed, both are important and a lot of other things are important. But they are not all equally important. This opens the book of sensor vs software which can go on as long as a pilpul. And it can be as complex. For me I am satisfied that somehow CCD can offer better data to the software to make a better image. You see, with a LibArts education I cannot understand or explain technical things all that well but I can easily say, "This looks better than that." I don't have to understand electricity to turn on the lights.

Osborne has a series of YouTube videos of mostly Leica gear and Leica lenses but also with a lot of non-Leica lenses which work on Leicas. He is informed and informative. https://www.youtube.com/c/MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Maybe if you knew something about him and what he does your opinion would change, you know, contempt prior to investigation. ;o)

 

[boojum]

He sells.....sex

I see cameras and lenses. He illustrates them often with model shoots as well as landscapes, etc. Naughty boy, we know what you are looking for. ;o)

 

[ptpdprinter]

Agreed, both are important and a lot of other things are important. But they are not all equally important. This opens the book of sensor vs software which can go on as long as a pilpul. And it can be as complex. For me I am satisfied that somehow CCD can offer better data to the software to make a better image. You see, with a LibArts education I cannot understand or explain technical things all that well but I can easily say, "This looks better than that." I don't have to understand electricity to turn on the lights.

Osborne has a series of YouTube videos of mostly Leica gear and Leica lenses but also with a lot of non-Leica lenses which work on Leicas. He is informed and informative. https://www.youtube.com/c/MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Maybe if you knew something about him and what he does your opinion would change, you know, contempt prior to investigation. ;o)

What opinion? I simply said Panasonic made the Leica Digilux 2. I don't know why you have headed off on a tangent to a discussion of mics and amps and this Osborne guy.

 

[boojum]

Both the mic and the amp are important. Both the sensor and the lens are important. Everything is important.

I don't know who "Matt Osborne (Mr. Leica)" is, and don't really care.

Perhaps this wilt jog your memory about Osborne and why I went off on a "tangent."

 

[Sonnar Brian]

So nobody is designing a new camera and has any interest in Hamamatsu and Teledyne CCD sensors vs the CMOS sensors available for selection.

I'll just stick with the Beloved Hamamatsu CCD for a detector and my "DOS will NEVER DIE" manufacturer of embedded processors.

 

[ptpdprinter]

Perhaps this wilt jog your memory about Osborne and why I went off on a "tangent."

I have no idea why you brought up the mic/amp thing or this Osborne guy. What does any of that have to do with Panasonic making the Leica Digilux 2?

 

[boojum]

So nobody is designing a new camera and has any interest in Hamamatsu and Teledyne CCD sensors vs the CMOS sensors available for selection.

I'll just stick with the Beloved Hamamatsu CCD for a detector and my "DOS will NEVER DIE" manufacturer of embedded processors.

DOS will NEVER DIE? Are there other operating systems? Will they run on my XT? What's going on here? Did I miss something?

I am wed to the belief that CCD is better, uninformed or dull as may be the opinion. And I do like the Pixii images. They are not quite CCD, it seems, but they are not quite CMOS, even though they are CMOS, but off in their own realm, and a pretty good realm it is. (https://www.facebook.com/groups/668692364396682/media) And while many say the CCD is like Kodachrome I place it between Kodachrome and Agfachrome. I preferred Agfachrome to Kodachrome. Kodachrome made everything look freshly painted. It was just a little to much "11." Other than the occasional enhanced orange Agfachrome was my slide fave, and Agfacolor, also sold by Costco as a house brand, was a great print film, to my taste.

In an earlier time I might have nattered on about how the "T" was a better car than the "A" ever was.