Censorship in the gallery.

[Keith]

I noticed the other day that an image in the gallery posted by a recently returned member, who has been missed by many I'm sure, was deleted. Yes it was slightly provocative but many of this person's images are and I don't really understand what particular line this image crossed.

It was of a naked female (surprise surprise 🙂) with her hands covering her crotch ... and as per usual shot in a very unusual environment which has always been a signature of this member's photographs.

I certainly wasn't offended by it but obviously someone was!

 

[jonmanjiro]

Maybe the user who posted the photo deleted it...

 

[Keith]

Maybe the user who posted the photo deleted it...

Possibly ... but I would doubt that!

 

[CameraQuest]

I noticed the other day that an image in the gallery posted by a recently returned member, who has been missed by many I'm sure, was deleted. Yes it was slightly provocative but many of this person's images are and I don't really understand what particular line this image crossed.

It was of a naked female (surprise surprise 🙂) with her hands covering her crotch ... and as per usual shot in a very unusual environment which has always been a signature of this member's photographs.

I certainly wasn't offended by it but obviously someone was!

the only thing obvious is that you are making assumptions and allegations based entirely upon your own guesses -- without bothering to check with the photog to see what they know about the disappearing image.

Stephen

 

[Keith]

the only thing obvious is that you are making assumptions and allegations based entirely upon your own guesses -- without bothering to check with the photog to see what they know about the disappearing image.

Stephen

I would see no reason for this photographer to delete his own image unless it was suggested he do so.

But I will take your suggestion and ask him myself ... thanks. 🙂

 

[fdarnell]

Good Job!

Good Job!

Since this image in question sticks in my mind's eye, even though it is no longer here, I say - great shot!

Perhaps the photog can chime in. Perhaps the subject did not like it so much. Perhaps the photog wants to stir the imagination, then quickly delete to avoid the plethora of internet thieves.

In any case, it's well done, but I do miss his work. It is most inspirational for us mere mortals...😎

 

[lynnb]

missed it - perhaps it's on his web site? Always worth a look..

 

[hausen]

Damn missed it. If I am right in thinking who the image was from then I am unhappy I missed it🙁

 

[helen.HH]

Are we talking Frank ...last name starts with a P... 😉

 

[rwintle]

Do we have to be so mysterious? If we want to discuss a photographer's work, then name the photographer. Otherwise this becomes an inside joke for those in the know, and hardly a useful discussion. Especially since several people have mentioned how good this person's work is... provocative shot or no, deleted or no, if his work is good then it is worth pointing the rest of us to.

 

[Keith]

Do we have to be so mysterious? If we want to discuss a photographer's work, then name the photographer. Otherwise this becomes an inside joke for those in the know, and hardly a useful discussion. Especially since several people have mentioned how good this person's work is... provocative shot or no, deleted or no, if his work is good then it is worth pointing the rest of us to.

I'm always reluctant to name actual members in threads but I will do so in this case ... Frank Petronio.

His work may not be to everyone's taste but I've always enjoyed it and have always placed great value on his input around here.

 

[rwintle]

I'm always reluctant to name actual members in threads but I will do so in this case ... Frank Petronio.

His work may not be to everyone's taste but I've always enjoyed it and have always placed great value on his input around here.

Thanks, Keith. I agree that discretion is often best, but in this case nothing defamatory was being said, and it seemed to me that there was no breach of privacy in naming him. Much appreciated, always interested to see work that others consider worthwhile looking at.

 

[helen.HH]

I'm always reluctant to name actual members in threads but I will do so in this case ... Frank Petronio.

His work may not be to everyone's taste but I've always enjoyed it and have always placed great value on his input around here.

Yay I win the Guessing Game...😛

I missed seeing that photo in the Gallery, though it would not surprise me if Frank took it down himself

nice to see Frank return and Posting in Threads & the Classifieds

 

[Frank Petronio]

Hi thanks everyone. I saw the image was placed by someone other than me into a private "invitation only" gallery. I'd have to invite people to see it.

Seemed silly so I deleted it.

I didn't see where it showed anything in violation of anything, certainly no nudity unless you have X-Ray vision but I guess the subject had a look that disturbed whomever decided it wasn't appropriate. Oh well... it was like complaining about the deleted thread about Nikon dropping support for the Korean comfort women exhibit because a mod declared there were two sides to every story and we were being too harsh on the Japanese Axis fighters. That got me banned a few years back. I get banned from other camera forums too, it's the nature of these places because they need to limit plain talk and free speech otherwise the crazy masses would create chaos. I don't disagree, I've moderated and seen how nuts people are, but it's boring to be polite and only post pictures of cats and farm markets and the like....

So I don't care, I don't even use a rangefinder anymore. Also I really don't care for the gallery interface and also I have to downsize my images from other places I post, so I'll just pass in the future. Thanks for having nice classifieds - that's the main reason I came back, not to rustle up forum politics.

 

[Michael Markey]

Nice to see you back ,Frank.

 

[Black]

Whenever topic such as this come up (and, they invariably will) it always amuses me that plebs (us, the membership) on the balance of probabilities, assume some of the management have removed/moved/deleted* a thread/image*, whereas the management will suggest that its likely to have been the member/author* and we shouldn't assume anything, without actually checking themselves. And, if it were a mod/member of management*, you would like to think that there would be some sort of one liner in the mods forum to let other mods know, out of courtesy, if nothing else, so people don't end up with egg on their faces.

Anyway, now that Frank has cleared up said issue, it would appear to be over zealous censorship. Any chance of clearing up what is and is not acceptable to post or what rule has been broken?

*delete as applicable

 

[bonatto]

For those not familiar, Frank's work is worth having a look!

 

[Sparrow]

Yes, good to see you Frank, and as has been said well worth looking at Prank's work

 

[bobbyrab]

Can we be told why the image was effectively censored? If images are to be disappeared then at the very least an explanation should be forthcoming.
It would be such a shame if we lost Frank again now that he's back, his work is amongst the strongest on here and is that not what it's meant to be about?

 

[jonmanjiro]

Can we be told why the image was effectively censored? If images are to be disappeared then at the very least an explanation should be forthcoming.
It would be such a shame if we lost Frank again now that he's back, his work is amongst the strongest on here and is that not what it's meant to be about?

For moderators, there's this enticing button under each thumbnail in the gallery titled "Move to mature", and one of the moderators selected that button for Frank's photo thinking that it would still be visible to everyone who had set their gallery options to view mature content (on closer inspection there is actually no place where you can set this though).

I did some experimenting with the settings myself, and selected "Move to mature" button for this photo (sorry Paul) to see what happened thinking I could undo it. I was wrong about being able to undo it, but it appears that all selecting "Move to mature" does is remove the photo from the Gallery top page. The photo can still be viewed by selecting "See more..." next to "Latest photos" at the top of the gallery top page, and is also visible in the Nude gallery (Gallery Search > Basic Search > select "Nude" as the "Category" (oops).

Basically, what it boils down to is that the mods (this one included) don't know exactly how the Gallery interface works...