blazeicehockey
Brand New In Box
Hi, I'd like to venture into MF square format. What's he cheapest way to do this, credit crunch and all that ? 
Darrin
Darrin
crawdiddy
qu'est-ce que c'est?
Kodak Brownie. Or Holga, if you have a bigger budget.
Al Kaplan
Veteran
Buy a used Minolta Autocord or Yashicamat. The Minolta is better built. Look for one of the models with a light meter. The meter won't work. Use that as a bargaining point. The Holga is a fun camera but it's not a serious camera for photography in the usual sense. The Brownies take 620 film. You'd have to respool 120 film onto 620 spools or pay through the nose for film. Same with cameras that take 127, except the ONLY option is paying top dollar for film.
Beemermark
Veteran
Given the prices of medium format on Ebay you can buy a nice Bronica, Mamiya, even a Hassie for less than the price of a CV lens. It doesn't make any sense to save $50 or even a $100 buying something cheaper - IMHO.
le vrai rdu
Well-known
lubitel, not so bad to the optical point of view, very low tech, teaching you how not to worry to much about technic 
feenej
Well-known
I bought a Seagull TLR for about $100. It makes fab images, but it jams a lot. I'd get a Yashica TLR if I was gonna do it over again. I'm gonna order a Mamiya 6x4.5 at the end of the week for about $300 for the kit.

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FPjohn
Well-known
As above, a Yashica or Autocord is a good place to start.
yours
FPJ
yours
FPJ
capitalK
Warrior Poet :P
Agfa Clack, maybe?
jmcd
Well-known
Just about 1 week ago someone here was selling a clean working Rolleicord for about $150. Excellent quality at an excellent price.
Phantomas
Well-known
Stay away from Lubitel, unless you want the worst of the "Lomo-esque" results of blur, missed focus, heavy vignetting and washed out results. The above are good qualities sometimes, but Lubitel is a rubbish camera.
For the same price (thanks to Lomography "aficionados") you can buy decent German twin-lens equipment or Japanese, something Rollei or Yashica, or even Chinese Seagull.
For SLR Maymia and Bronica go cheap often.
My own entry into serious 6x6 (after rare use of lo-fi stuff like Holga and a couple of forgot-the-name cameras) has been not so lo-fi - got a black Hassie 500 c/m. They do not need further explanation - results are as good as they say and damn hard to beat in mid-format world. Zeiss lenses, 'nuff said. Hassies are not cheap, but not too expensive either if you know where to look.
For the same price (thanks to Lomography "aficionados") you can buy decent German twin-lens equipment or Japanese, something Rollei or Yashica, or even Chinese Seagull.
For SLR Maymia and Bronica go cheap often.
My own entry into serious 6x6 (after rare use of lo-fi stuff like Holga and a couple of forgot-the-name cameras) has been not so lo-fi - got a black Hassie 500 c/m. They do not need further explanation - results are as good as they say and damn hard to beat in mid-format world. Zeiss lenses, 'nuff said. Hassies are not cheap, but not too expensive either if you know where to look.
bmattock
Veteran
Agfa Clack, maybe?
That's 6x9.
bmattock
Veteran
The Brownies take 620 film. You'd have to respool 120 film onto 620 spools or pay through the nose for film.
Brownie Hawkeye only needs a 620 take up spool, you can run 120 through it as-is.
bmattock
Veteran
As above, a Yashica or Autocord is a good place to start.
I agree.
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oftheherd
Veteran
You might want to consider some of the 6x6 folders. Some of those have good lenses, and are small to carry.
wayneb
Established
I have two Yashicamats. The image quality is not a Rollei or perhaps even the Mamiya 330, but at f8 with proper metering, it's really quite good (and of course you can look on flickr group for this camera and see great examples at 3.5). It's a inexpensive way to determine whether the TLR design is for you.
Regarding the toy/plastic cameras, my feeling about it is, unless you want to use them for that 'effect' why spend the time, energy and money working with equipment where you feel lucky to get an outstanding exposure/focus. Decent used equipment that can produce reliable excellent results is not that expensive, especially in the new DSLR/Leica-anything scheme of things.
Regarding the toy/plastic cameras, my feeling about it is, unless you want to use them for that 'effect' why spend the time, energy and money working with equipment where you feel lucky to get an outstanding exposure/focus. Decent used equipment that can produce reliable excellent results is not that expensive, especially in the new DSLR/Leica-anything scheme of things.
jmkelly
rangefinder user
I've got a very clean Mamiya C3 with 80mm and 180mm lenses I will sell you for cheap, but the shipping to the UK will not be.
35mmdelux
Veni, vidi, vici
Mamiya C2 & 80mm. excellent results. $250<
If its worth doing, its worth doing right.
If its worth doing, its worth doing right.
KoNickon
Nick Merritt
Look for a Yashica with the Yashinon lens -- it's a Tessar design and I find fully as good as the lens in the Autocord, or the Xenar you find on the Rolleicords. The Yashica D is not as sophisticated a design as the Yashicamats -- it has knob wind and manual shutter cocking -- but the later ones come with the Yashinon and it's a fine camera. You should be able to get one in the $100 range.
The Yashica models aren't as well made as the other makes, but they're still pretty darn good, and as mentioned the lenses are really very good. Also, they have bright focusing screens and f2.8 viewing lenses, which makes for easy focusing.
Don't get me wrong -- the Autocords and Rolleicords are excellent. But the Yashicas are plentiful and enjoyable to use.
The Yashica models aren't as well made as the other makes, but they're still pretty darn good, and as mentioned the lenses are really very good. Also, they have bright focusing screens and f2.8 viewing lenses, which makes for easy focusing.
Don't get me wrong -- the Autocords and Rolleicords are excellent. But the Yashicas are plentiful and enjoyable to use.
nikon_sam
Shooter of Film...
I have and use a Yashicamat 124G and would highly recommend either the 124 or the 124G...
The 124's were made better (internal gears) but can be bought for less than the newer 124G's...I don't use the meter so all that Gold was wasted on me...
I was printing some B&W negs this weekend and was again blown away at how sharp an image this camera produces...
The 124's were made better (internal gears) but can be bought for less than the newer 124G's...I don't use the meter so all that Gold was wasted on me...
I was printing some B&W negs this weekend and was again blown away at how sharp an image this camera produces...
hiromu
Established
Mamiya 220 can be had for $150 with 80mm lens. If you like it and want to expand, you can get more lenses... It's the only TLR that you can change lenses (and its big brother 330 line).
I used to shoot a lot of 6x6, Hasselblad, Rolleiflex, Rollei SL66, YashicaMat, Bronica SQA, etc..
But now I only have Seagull and Zeiss Nettar, both of which takes great images and can be had for $100 or less.
Hiromu
I used to shoot a lot of 6x6, Hasselblad, Rolleiflex, Rollei SL66, YashicaMat, Bronica SQA, etc..
But now I only have Seagull and Zeiss Nettar, both of which takes great images and can be had for $100 or less.
Hiromu
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