NeeZee
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Hello there,
lately I'm considering to buy a 6x7 medium format camera/(system?) because I really like the format and find the 6x6 of my Pentacon more and more limiting. As I'm a student I'm looking for a cheap alternative (<=200€) to the 'usual suspects (mamiya 7II, Plaubel Makina, etc...). I would prefer RF but SLR wouldn't be a deal breaker. More importantly I want to use it with a focal length of a about 65mm (35mm FOV eq. in 135 format). As far as I know classic folders weren't produced for this format and they usually have a longer lens anyway. What do you guys think of the various press cameras (mamiya press, koni omega etc.)? I know they are bulky but how is the quality of the lenses? Or are there other alternatives? (except using 6x9, blocking part of the viewfinder and wasting precious film
).
Thanks,
Thomas
lately I'm considering to buy a 6x7 medium format camera/(system?) because I really like the format and find the 6x6 of my Pentacon more and more limiting. As I'm a student I'm looking for a cheap alternative (<=200€) to the 'usual suspects (mamiya 7II, Plaubel Makina, etc...). I would prefer RF but SLR wouldn't be a deal breaker. More importantly I want to use it with a focal length of a about 65mm (35mm FOV eq. in 135 format). As far as I know classic folders weren't produced for this format and they usually have a longer lens anyway. What do you guys think of the various press cameras (mamiya press, koni omega etc.)? I know they are bulky but how is the quality of the lenses? Or are there other alternatives? (except using 6x9, blocking part of the viewfinder and wasting precious film
).Thanks,
Thomas
jbielikowski
Jan Bielikowski
Koni-Omega is helluva camera, heavy but build like a tank and with great image quality. I bought mine for something like 200euro, then got a 60/5.6 with a VF for another 200euro. But I dont use it anymore...
Roger Hicks
Veteran
Dear Thomas,
The cheapest way probably IS to discard part of a 6x9 negative. Good 6x7s are expensive.
Having said that, try Polaroid 600SE with 75mm lens and 6x7cm back (via adapter). Good luck at 200€, though!
Why not try building a custom camera with a 6x9 body and a 65 Super Angulon, scale focused?
Cheers,
R.
The cheapest way probably IS to discard part of a 6x9 negative. Good 6x7s are expensive.
Having said that, try Polaroid 600SE with 75mm lens and 6x7cm back (via adapter). Good luck at 200€, though!
Why not try building a custom camera with a 6x9 body and a 65 Super Angulon, scale focused?
Cheers,
R.
Mcary
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Hello there,
lately I'm considering to buy a 6x7 medium format camera/(system?) because I really like the format and find the 6x6 of my Pentacon more and more limiting. As I'm a student I'm looking for a cheap alternative (<=200€) to the 'usual suspects (mamiya 7II, Plaubel Makina, etc...). I would prefer RF but SLR wouldn't be a deal breaker. More importantly I want to use it with a focal length of a about 65mm (35mm FOV eq. in 135 format). As far as I know classic folders weren't produced for this format and they usually have a longer lens anyway. What do you guys think of the various press cameras (mamiya press, koni omega etc.)? I know they are bulky but how is the quality of the lenses? Or are there other alternatives? (except using 6x9, blocking part of the viewfinder and wasting precious film
Thanks,
Thomas
Have you thought about Pentax 6x7? they offer a 55mm lens which gives about the same field of view as a 28mm(35mm Format)
NeeZee
Well-known
I have thought about that one but never checked recent prices - just saw that one together with the 55mm went for 178,- on ebay recently - might look into it if there's no similarly-priced RF solution...
Thanks!
sevo
Fokutorendaburando
6x7 SLRs, in particular earlier generation ones, can be very affordable - I paid less than 150€ for a working Mamiya RB67 (the first version without double exposure prevention interlock) with 90mm and 50mm lenses, and have seen Pentax 67's for little more than that.
If it must be a rangefinder within your budget, your best option would be a Mamiya Press with 65mm lens (if you can live with its low speed, a excellent lens in spite of its unassumingly tiny looks and simple design) and 6x7 back. The Koni Omega was never marketed in Germany (nor apparently anywhere else in Europe) - you'd have to purchase it overseas.
If it must be a rangefinder within your budget, your best option would be a Mamiya Press with 65mm lens (if you can live with its low speed, a excellent lens in spite of its unassumingly tiny looks and simple design) and 6x7 back. The Koni Omega was never marketed in Germany (nor apparently anywhere else in Europe) - you'd have to purchase it overseas.
johannielscom
Snorting silver salts
Fuji GW670.
Or, use a Baby Graflex or a Buschman Press with a Horseman 6x7 back but you would have to luck into the back, they can be pricey by themselves already... Graflex '22' and '23' backs are easy to find ('22' is 6x6, '23' is 6x9)
Or, use a Baby Graflex or a Buschman Press with a Horseman 6x7 back but you would have to luck into the back, they can be pricey by themselves already... Graflex '22' and '23' backs are easy to find ('22' is 6x6, '23' is 6x9)
venchka
Veteran
I will vouch for the Koni-Omega. My first 6x7 camera was a Rapid Omega 100. If you can find a Rapid Omega 200 and an extra back you get film changing ability just like the RB67 or Hasselblad. Konica lenses are superb. Having the grip and the cable release makes using the camera very easy.
Wayne
Wayne
stompyq
Well-known
If your patient beatup pentax 6x7's come-up on ebay once in a while. I bought mine this way and it hasn't failed me yet.
Waus
Well-known
Pentax 6x7 or a 67. Buyers ask quite a lot at ebay, but if you do your homework and are not in a hurry you can easily find a good Pentax...
Shutterspark
The perpetual new guy.
I agree with what was said above; Pentax 67 is your best bet at that price range when it comes to ease of use and performance to price ratio.
Koni-Omegas are nice too though.
Koni-Omegas are nice too though.
SixtiesM2
Rio's pal
jmooney
Guy with a camera
I've bought RB67's for around $200 USD. They were beaten but not broken. All worked well.
venchka
Veteran
I will vouch for the Pentax 6x7 also. My second 6x7 camera. Sold the Rapid-Omega to buy the Pentax. All very long ago. In 2006 I replaced my long gone Pentax 6x7 and 45-105-150 lenses. Love it!
Wayne
Wayne
Calzone
Gear Whore #1
Pentax 6x7 or 67. The latest 55/4.0 is a great-great lens if you want that 28mm equiv. Also lots of great glass for no money.
I went with the more expensive Pentax 67II with AE meter. Spot, center weighted, and 6 segment matrix metering that also allows for deadly accurate TTL with a dedicated flash. All three modes are available with a flick of a switch.
Consider getting a 6x7 or 67 and later upgrading the body to an 67II with AE prism later.
Cal
I went with the more expensive Pentax 67II with AE meter. Spot, center weighted, and 6 segment matrix metering that also allows for deadly accurate TTL with a dedicated flash. All three modes are available with a flick of a switch.
Consider getting a 6x7 or 67 and later upgrading the body to an 67II with AE prism later.
Cal
NeeZee
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Thanks to all for your instant and knowledgable feedback - I love this place!
As I don't need a fast lens and usually prefer RFs I will look further into the Koni Omega system (and other press cameras) first. It's not unlikely though that I will eventually go for the Pentax or Mamiya SLRs, due to availability and price.
One more question: Any tips regarding typical technical issues with the Omega? Just in case to know what to check before buying...
As I don't need a fast lens and usually prefer RFs I will look further into the Koni Omega system (and other press cameras) first. It's not unlikely though that I will eventually go for the Pentax or Mamiya SLRs, due to availability and price.
One more question: Any tips regarding typical technical issues with the Omega? Just in case to know what to check before buying...
Spanik
Well-known
Couldn't something like a Mamiya Press be used with a 6x7 back? Otherwise one of the Fuji 670 series or if you want even a Fuji GX680.
hamradio
Well-known
Pentax 67, Mamiya Super 23, Mamiya RB67 are all fairly cheap these days. I traded ~50 rolls of expired velvia and provia for a Super 23 with 6x7 back.
KoNickon
Nick Merritt
I am sure there are folks here who will be happy to offer you a Koni-Omega, if they are not easily found in Europe. They can be had for pretty reasonable prices.
The optics are superb, though you have only four focal lengths available -- 58/60mm (earlier lenses were 58mm; I think the optical design is slightly different); 90mm; 135mm (rare but a great lens); 180mm. The earlier lenses (made by Konica) are Hexanons; the later lenses, sold with the 100 and 200, are Omegons. The 100 and 200 cameras and later lenses were made by Mamiya. Only the later cameras, the 100/200/later Rapid Ms, had framelines for the 135mm, in case you want to get that lens. Also, the backs are key to this camera -- if they are worn and don't properly space between frames, you will not be happy.
This is an excellent camera, and one that's unlike any other, but a brilliant design in many ways. With the potential exception of the backs, as noted above, they are pretty bombproof.
The optics are superb, though you have only four focal lengths available -- 58/60mm (earlier lenses were 58mm; I think the optical design is slightly different); 90mm; 135mm (rare but a great lens); 180mm. The earlier lenses (made by Konica) are Hexanons; the later lenses, sold with the 100 and 200, are Omegons. The 100 and 200 cameras and later lenses were made by Mamiya. Only the later cameras, the 100/200/later Rapid Ms, had framelines for the 135mm, in case you want to get that lens. Also, the backs are key to this camera -- if they are worn and don't properly space between frames, you will not be happy.
This is an excellent camera, and one that's unlike any other, but a brilliant design in many ways. With the potential exception of the backs, as noted above, they are pretty bombproof.
stompyq
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NeeZee, I sent you a pm. You might be interested in it!!