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Hi guys
will be in japan end of jan, where can i get chemical developer (kodak hc110 or rodinal).
one more question why some rodinal is consider as ORM-D and only can be shipped via ground.
 
Rodinal in small bottles (120 ml) can be shipped to Japan but no larger bottles due to safety restrictions for air freight. All sellers (on-line) were out of stock recently and I don`t know when and if Rodinal will become available here in Japan again.

HC-110 was available via pre-order from Yodobashi Camera but I don`t know if they offer this service anymore. Since the price for HC-110 in Japan went astronomical high I order it from Germany because including shipping it is still much cheaper.

What you can find more easily are D76, XTOL, and Tmax developer. I have also seen DD-X a couple of times and other developer from Ilford. DD-X was also very expensive so I would only order it from outside of Japan.

EDIT: Rodinal contains corrosive chemicals that can damage (dissolve) the aluminum parts of the aircraft.
 
maddoc said:
What you can find more easily are D76, XTOL, and Tmax developer.
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I'll add Fujifilm Super Prodol to that. It is probably the easiest to find (and cheapest?) local option. AFAIK its not readily available outside Japan so might be fun to try. Its similar to (but IMO better than) D76.
 
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interesting for 120 ml Rodinal, from which store you order the rodinal?
i will stay in japan 4 days so smaller qty of chemical will be better then continue trip to Dallas. well in dallas i can get the chemical shipped from freestyle easily.
anyway here in Jakarta 500 ml of rodinal cost usd 40 but its worth for 1+50 dilution compare to 1 l ddx at same price.
 
Go to yodobashi-camera, they have several options still.
I use super-prodol with my neopan 400 and 1600 and it gives fine results.

Super prodol is a developer meant more for pushing, but it does work just fine with most films.

Also, since it's powder, you can cram a bunch of bags in your suitcase and bring some home with you too.
 
znapper said:
Go to yodobashi-camera, they have several options still.
I use super-prodol with my neopan 400 and 1600 and it gives fine results.

Super prodol is a developer meant more for pushing, but it does work just fine with most films.

Also, since it's powder, you can cram a bunch of bags in your suitcase and bring some home with you too.
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i use powder developer once, it was ilford microphen and good result.
my dev tank is 500 ml. and microphen shall be diluted with 1L of water.
is it ok if i bring the scale, and divided by 2 (500 ml each) and dilute with 500 ml of water?
 
bwibowo said:
i use powder developer once, it was ilford microphen and good result.
my dev tank is 500 ml. and microphen shall be diluted with 1L of water.
is it ok if i bring the scale, and divided by 2 (500 ml each) and dilute with 500 ml of water?
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It is never a good idea to divide the package content of a powder developer because there are a couple of chemicals mixed and you don`t know how much of each of the chemicals end up in the divided parts. I would buy a 1l bottle at Yodobashi and make one liter of solution using all of the powder at once.
 
bwibowo said:
i use powder developer once, it was ilford microphen and good result.
my dev tank is 500 ml. and microphen shall be diluted with 1L of water.
is it ok if i bring the scale, and divided by 2 (500 ml each) and dilute with 500 ml of water?
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I second the comment about dividing powder chemicals, it is extremely complicated to get an even mix and the bags have been tossed and shaken, so the mix is unknown when you pour 50% from a random bag.

The 1 liter bags are easy to deal with, and you also develop using 1:1 (you can develop a couple of rolls with a total of 500-600 ml 1:1 solution).

You will use up 1 liter of stock pretty quick and it is not very expensive to buy within Japan, so just use two 1/2 liter bottles to keep the stock-solution if you can.
 
chemical developer in Japan

znapper said:
Super prodol is a developer meant more for pushing, but it does work just fine with most films.
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Ive never heard that before. Interesting! Ive always though its basically the Fujifilm all rounder B&W film developer (equivalent of Kodak D76). Id be interested to know why its more for pushing?
 
Here's how Fuji describes Super Prodol:

フィルム用迅速・標準～増感微粒子現像液、長期使用型・手処理、自動現像機用。
標準から増感処理まで幅広く使えます。
専用補充液を補充することにより大量処理が可能です。
リーダー搬送・ローラー搬送など各種の自動現像機に使えます。

Somebody whose Japanese is better than mine will need to check me on this, but I think the description says that it's a fine-grain developer that's good for both standard and push-processing, and usable both for hand- and machine-processing. IOW, just what jonmanjiro said about an "all rounder".
 
jonmanjiro said:
Ive never heard that before. Interesting! Ive always though its basically the Fujifilm all rounder B&W film developer (equivalent of Kodak D76). Id be interested to know why its more for pushing?
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i'm using massive dev as reference and also timer to develop my BW film. for developer that will be used, nornally i check on massive dev table, if it is not there then better to avoid.
 
bwibowo said:
i'm using massive dev as reference and also timer to develop my BW film. for developer that will be used, nornally i check on massive dev table, if it is not there then better to avoid.
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just use D76 as a reference and extrapolate a dev time from that. its not hard.

edit: to give you an idea, for Neopan 400:

* The massive dev chart gives a dev time of 9 min 30 sec using D-76 at 1:1 & 20C

* Fujifim gives a dev time of 7 minutes using Super Prodol at 1:1 & 20C

> 7 minutes (420 seconds) / 9 minutes 30 seconds (570 seconds) = approx. 74%

So when developing using Super Prodol, you just reduce any dev time given for D-76 by about 25%. Works every time.
 
jonmanjiro said:
Ive never heard that before. Interesting! Ive always though its basically the Fujifilm all rounder B&W film developer (equivalent of Kodak D76). Id be interested to know why its more for pushing?
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I don't know the content of D76, but as far I have seen in various discussions online, it's different from D76 and maybe more similar to micropen(?)....I have no idea.
I did found a description of the chemical content once:

"Super Prodol (SPD) is a rapid processing, push process developer provided in dry powder package. The developing agent listed is hydroquinone (3.9%) which is probably augmented with phenidone or its derivative. The developer contains 70-90% of sodium sulfite, and buffered with metaboric acid (3.4%) and sodium carbonate (3-7%). This formula resembles Crawley's FX-37. This developer is likely to contain bromide restrainer or possibly other antifoggant. "

This description was found via waybackmachine and no longer exist on the internet:
https://web.archive.org/web/2005082...rain.org/Photo-Tech/film-dev-JP-formulae.html
I don't know if that helps or confuse the comparison to D76, but there you go :)
From my understanding of the stuff, it's tailored towards Neopan 400 and 1600 and pushing, at least if you take the above, as well as japanexposure's description to heart:

The actual claimed speed-increase, I have no idea about the correctness of that.
http://www.japanexposures.com/shop/film-analog/super-prodolfilm-developer-1l.html


I don't know why, but the massive dev chart has listed super prodol (SPD) under discontinued developers, probably because it is mostly sold in-country, apart from buying it from japanexposures:

https://www.digitaltruth.com/devchart-discontinued.php?Film=&Developer=SPD&mdc=Search


I have souped Neopan 1600, Neopan 400, Acros and Kodak Plus-X in this developer and everything went just fine. My initial plan with this developer, was to get as little grain as possible with Neopan 400 and 1600, as I (still) have a bunch of it in the freezer :)

I have stored stock-solution in 1/2 liter coca-cola bottles for more than 1.5 years and it was still good. The only thing I did, was to put some tetenal protectan gas in the bottles, pretty amazing for a powder+water developer.

(A couple of Neopan 1600 @ 1000 shots (expired 07.2012), developed in SPD attached)

EOS_30_Neopan_1600_at_1000_09_ by Ole-Henrik Helin, on Flickr

EOS_30_Neopan_1600_at_1000_35_ by Ole-Henrik Helin, on Flickr

EOS_30_Neopan_1600_at_1000_16_ by Ole-Henrik Helin, on Flickr
 
Thanks for the reply and nice results from Super Prodol!

Here's a few from me:

Efke 25 developed in Super Prodol


Efke 50 developed in Super Prodol


Neopan 400 developed in Super Prodol


znapper said:
I don't know the content of D76
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I really only meant that Super Prodol was equivalent to D-76 in that it is also an all-rounder developer. I don't know the content of D-76 either :)
 
jonmanjiro said:
just use D76 as a reference and extrapolate a dev time from that. its not hard.

edit: to give you an idea, for Neopan 400:

* The massive dev chart gives a dev time of 9 min 30 sec using D-76 at 1:1 & 20C

* Fujifim gives a dev time of 7 minutes using Super Prodol at 1:1 & 20C

> 7 minutes (420 seconds) / 9 minutes 30 seconds (570 seconds) = approx. 74%

So when developing using Super Prodol, you just reduce any dev time given for D-76 by about 25%. Works every time.
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would be nice to try new things :)
can't wait my trip
 
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