Cleaning an SLR mirror possible at all?

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So I picked up a Nikon FE2 and the previous owner managed to get a fingerprint AND wipe marks on the mirror...
Is it possible to get this professionally cleaned at all? I know, it doesn't affect image quality or viewing quality, but god it bothers me
 
I clean them with a cotton bud and some lens cleaner ... why involve a repairman for something so simple? 😀
 
It's just like cleaning a lens. Using lens fluid, and a cotton swab wrapped in lens paper will help to get all the way back into the corners. The fingerprint might leave a permanent mark, since the mirror is front silvered.

I've got a Nikon N90s that the mirror had turned kind of brown, and I thought it was a goner (coating possibly going bad). But I went ahead and cleaned it, and it's just like new. Makes the exposures correct too, and the AF is now working better.

PF
 
They must be making them tougher nowadays, but in the 1960 era the front silvering was very delicate. I tried cleaning an old Pentax mirror back then using an extremely light touch with a cotton ball, and the scratches were all too evident. 🙁
 
It certainly can be done at home but there are a couple of points that are good to be aware of or which can minimise the likelihood of adverse impact.

As Doug has alluded, not all mirrors are created equal. Some are much less tolerant of cleaning than others. I suspect the silvering of some ages much better than others, too, perhaps based on both the quality of the original process and the conditions in which a camera has been used and stored. I have an old Praktica here with a mirror that had clearly been around the block a few times when I acquired it, and it was decidedly the worse for wear. On the other hand, the quality of silvering used on, say, Rollei mirrors from at least the 1950s, was very good. They should of course not be cleaned more than necessary but can handle it very well if it should be absolutely necessary. So can Hassy mirrors, in my experience.

So, how do you work out if yours will disintegrate at the slightest touch, or not? Well, I'd expect a relatively modern Nikon mirror to be pretty decent but, prudence dictates that, before proceeding to the centre of the mirror surface, you carefully try one of the extreme corners, first, to test the waters as it were. If you see signs of adverse impact, you can always elect to live with the marks or have it professionally attended to, which is certainly better than trashing the mirror.

The second point is that some Japanese SLRs may have focus screens that are made of fairly soft plastics. I prefer, for the most part, to work on classic German stuff. This has its own pros and cons, but, one nice point is that many of these still had real glass focus screens and condensor lenses, and, with the usual care one doesn't have to worry too much about damaging them with various fluids, only of not scratching them.

Plastic screens on the other hand, can catch you out if Eg. you use an alcohol-based lens cleaning fluid to clean your mirror. I'll give you an example of what can go wrong. I have a few Yashica TL Electro X SLRs. One of the earlier specimens I acquired, I think the first one, had a mirror that was quite dirty because, as the mirror damping foam and/or its adhesive had contaminated it. So I thought I'd clean it. All well and good, so far.

I did a fine job of gently wiping the mirror clean with some Rosco lens cleaning tissue wadded up, a pair of tweezers, and some Rosco cleaning fluid. It was, in fact, as good as new. Unfortunately, while I was doing this, I managed to (barely) dab the tissue near a corner of its focus screen. Which went instantly opaque! And it has still has an opaque spot years later. Luckily, it wasn't in the centre of the screen, and the camera remains quite usable. But it's an enduring reminder of the need to take some care in one's choice of cleaning fluids inside a mirror box, if the SLR in question has a plastic screen. Otherwise, you may find your mirror sparkling but remain nonplussed by other signs of your presence near it, whenever you use your viewfinder!

It's up to you as to what fluid you use. If you have a very steady hand indeed, you might be happy using a conventional lens cleaning fluid to clean your mirror. But the top edge of the mirror will inevitably be situated very close to the focus screen, making it so very easy to inadvertently dab the screen. Perhaps you might elect to clean only the lower portion of the mirror, and stay well away from the top of the mirror box. I guess it depends on where the problem is?

Alternatively, you might consider a very little demineralised water as an alternative to lightly dampen your choice of cleaning material. This will be nowhere near as effective at removing skin oils or other deposits from the mirror. But equally, it's not going to hurt anything it comes into contact with. A solution might be a combination of both, possibly, (but not applied together, obviously). In any case, unless it's known for a fact that the lower surface of the focus screen is made of glass, not plastics, it is always much better to err on the side of caution with any use of cleaning fluid.
Cheers,
Brett
 
I clean them with a cotton bud and some lens cleaner ... why involve a repairman for something so simple? 😀


Well because i don't know the OP,

Some folks can clean a mirror with lens cleaner with no issues, and some people can clean all the silver off them. 😀

And folks do carry on, the OP has a vanilla Nikon FE2, and yet Yashica TL Electro X's, and the impossibly rare Canon Pellix is on the menu. Ah the venerable Yashica TL Electro X, known for its strange font on the prism.😱

I have to admit wondering how anything as mild as Rosco would harm its screen.
 
Well because i don't know the OP,

Some folks can clean a mirror with lens cleaner with no issues, and some people can clean all the silver off them. 😀

And folks do carry on, the OP has a vanilla Nikon FE2, and yet Yashica TL Electro X's, and the impossibly rare Canon Pellix is on the menu. Ah the venerable Yashica TL Electro X, known for its strange font on the prism.😱

I have to admit wondering how anything as mild as Rosco would harm its screen.
Wonder away. That was the camera, that was what I used, and that was what happened. The camera happened to be an Electro X, not an FE2. Sorry, I don't shoot Nikon. But I thought it might actually be information worth being aware of so I'm sorry you regard it as carrying on.
 
Those electros were trouble makers.
Two I tried both had the mirrors fall loose and crack in use.
The glue they used is bad. I have them both still ....retired.
One is a mint black one. Would give it to a crafty rff-er if they wanted to try and find a mirror.

I have to admit as m42 cameras go my fav is the sears/ricoh tls.
That cool emblem on the prism and awesome front shutter speed dial 😀

Sorry... Sliding ot
 
Wonder away. That was the camera, that was what I used, and that was what happened. The camera happened to be an Electro X, not an FE2. Sorry, I don't shoot Nikon. But I thought it might actually be information worth being aware of so I'm sorry you regard it as carrying on.

We all carry on, it is the nature of tech discussions. 😉

My guess would be your screen went dark because of deteriorated black paint on the edge of the screen, which was carried onto the screen by the liquid. I have torn down and restored a number of early Yashica/Niccas, and while pretty, and interesting, they were simply awful build quality.

However Nikon screens of the FE2 era frankly can probably be cleaned with a dirty handkerchief and Windex, they are built like tanks.
 
We all carry on, it is the nature of tech discussions. 😉

My guess would be your screen went dark because of deteriorated black paint on the edge of the screen, which was carried onto the screen by the liquid. I have torn down and restored a number of early Yashica/Niccas, and while pretty, and interesting, they were simply awful build quality.

However Nikon screens of the FE2 era frankly can probably be cleaned with a dirty handkerchief and Windex, they are built like tanks.
I don't think the Electro Xs are too bad, having ventured inside several in (largely fruitless) efforts to get their meters back to spec again. But working on one of their earlier TLRs left me definitely unimpressed, so I hear what you're saying.

It's an interesting topic. Perhaps some screens are less susceptible to problems than others? It's good to hear the Nikon screens are fairly tough. They're a good solid camera, worth making right, from what I have learned about them.

Regarding various cleaning fluids and focus screens, the information that's on the web seems to vary a lot in the details of what is OK to use and what is not. I personally try to avoid touching a screen at all if possible. If I must, I prefer to stick with water these days, or, if a screen was unusable otherwise, I might try a little naptha if I had nothing else to lose, but that has never been the case, to date.

It's been some time since I last researched the subject, and, checking my bookmarks (where I thought I had saved some links) shed little light, so I did some googling earlier and found the following post at photonet regarding the cleaning of focusing screens. What made this a little more interesting than most, is that it quotes some input from focus screen suppliers Bill Maxwell, Rachel Katz (Katz Eye) and from Beattie Intenscreen. When contacted by the author, apparently they all recommended using water, (with a little dishwashing liquid as well suggested by Beattie).

Having previously searched for answers some time ago, I decided that pure water was my own safest option. Of course, that doesn't mean other fluids can't necessarily be used without unwanted consequences. Simply that there may be the possiblility of variation in outcomes from type to type? The bottom line I suppose is that what works for you, works for you.

I have several partly disassembled Japanese SLRs on hand as a source of springs, mirrors, fasteners, etc. so, next time I have to get the box out of storage, if I have time I might even purposely place some fluids onto some screens, just to see what happens. It would be worth getting some more reliable information about the subject because much of what one finds online seems to conflict.
Cheers,
Brett
 
Those electros were trouble makers.
Two I tried both had the mirrors fall loose and crack in use.
The glue they used is bad. I have them both still ....retired.
One is a mint black one. Would give it to a crafty rff-er if they wanted to try and find a mirror.


I have to admit as m42 cameras go my fav is the sears/ricoh tls.
That cool emblem on the prism and awesome front shutter speed dial 😀

Sorry... Sliding ot

Sadly your experience is not isolated. None of my own have had mirror failures, but a friend acquired two or three after trying one of mine. In one of his examples the mirror fell right out after detaching from its perch. Another cracked in half. One half fell out. The other stayed on the perch. Incidentally, what I found surprising was that that camera could still be focused etc. with only half the mirror attached. Metering would have been completely AWOL, of course, but I would have expected the finder to be completely unusable. Yet that was not the case.

I'd be happy to take your camera on as a repair and pay the postage Down Under. Better than that, if it's otherwise working, and you're willing to cover the return postage (which, sadly, would be a few dollars to and from Australia) then, I'd be glad to replace it for you, and send it back for you to use yourself, if you would like to. It's not a difficult job. 🙂
Cheers,
Brett
 
The Minolta SR series have good mirrors in them. I just cleaned an SR-7 tonight with no scratches. I'm somewhat sure the focus screen is glass, but I always err towards the side of caution, and only used an artists paint brush and air bulb to get the big chunks of bumper debris off it.

I've got one of those TL Electro X's that is missing its mirror. Nice to know it's an endemic kind of thing to look out for.

PF
 
Minolta multi-coated the mirrors of the X-700 and X-570, and they triple-coated those of the X-370, so these mirrors might have been more resistant to cleaning. I would expect that the focusing screens in these cameras were plastic, since plastics were used so widely in these models, so Brett's words of caution may be worth taking into consideration.

I don't think any previous Minoltas had multi-coated mirrors.

Logic would suggest that subsequent Minolta SLRs, of the auto-focus generation, would have had multi-coated mirrors, as well.

I wouldn't be surprised if other manufacturers started multi-coating their mirrors around the same time Minolta did (i.e. The early 1980s).

- Murray
 
The Minolta SR series have good mirrors in them. I just cleaned an SR-7 tonight with no scratches. I'm somewhat sure the focus screen is glass, but I always err towards the side of caution, and only used an artists paint brush and air bulb to get the big chunks of bumper debris off it.

I've got one of those TL Electro X's that is missing its mirror. Nice to know it's an endemic kind of thing to look out for.

PF
Yes, it seems to be, Phil. They did fit a foam strip to the top of the mirror box just ahead of the focus screen. When one is found the foam is usually the worse for wear. I can't say how much difference it makes, but if one has a decent example with an intact mirror, I think replacing the foam is probably a good idea. I've done it with all of mine and touch wood, no mirror failures to date.
Cheers,
Brett
 
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