Color photo class- is it worth it?

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I've set up my class schedule for next quarter. I'm taking a full load (16 units) of major and breadth requirements. However, there is a color photography class being offered that would fit my schedule. I'm wondering if color printing, etc. is something thats even worth learning. Basically, I just want to take a photo class next quarter, and that is the only one that will fit my schedule. My worries are: 1) adding a fifth class would put unnecessary pressure on me, and 2) color print photography is a dead end road; its future definitely seems more bleek than B&W. The upsides are: I get to take a photo class, and it probably wouldn't be much of a problem, as I shoot often anyways, and I'd get to learn a new craft, even if it doesn't have much of a future. I enjoy the B&W darkroom, and I know color printing is different (not sure of the process, though), so those that have done it, is it enjoyable or should I just pass and wait for another photo class to come along next year?
 
This all hinges on the answer to whether your school has an automatic color print processing machine.
 
Poptart said:
This all hinges on the answer to whether your school has an automatic color print processing machine.

I believe it does.
 
I think that learning color theory is a useful tool. The good thing about dealing with color casts in color printing is that you have to say "it looks too yellow, so I need to add this, which means I need to subtract that and that." I think you get an appreciation for how to adjust colors in other settings, too (ie - digital).

The process is simpler in the sense that you just put it through a machine. But it's harder in the sense that you work in complete darkness.

allan
 
I found my color class in college didn't compare at all to the standard B&W classes. Kaiyen is right in the fact that you learn to see whether an image needs magenta, or yellow, etc, but the process is infinitely boring, in my opinion. A typical class for me went like this -

Enter the DARK darkroom (no safelight allowed). Get the negative ready on the enlarger (pre-processed because color processing is much more strict on temperature than B&W), focus, guess some color filter numbers and shut off the light.

Fumble for the paper, hope you get it straight in the easel. Expose. Put the paper in the drum and close it. Turn on the lights.

Get the drum on the machine, and spend the next half hour 'developing' the print (read: watching the machine till it beeped).

Open the drum and see your horribly pink color print. Note changes.

Rinse. Repeat.


- What I like so much about B&W darkroom work was how great it is to see your print take shape in the developer, and how efficiently you could adjust the contrast and reprint if you didn't like what the outcome was. Color processing was very unrewarding for me.
 
I agree with kaiyen. My color class helped me later with photoshop.

But that having been said, I wouldn't waste my time on it now. It is, as you said, a dead road. And the darkroom work is deadly boring.
 
You WILL learn a huge amount about colour. It can (does) take a while to get the 'right' colour balance for a given type of film/chemistry/enlarger combination and yes it is a dying art.

I'm glad I did it and no I don't do a lot of it these days preferring slide or B&W. But all my colour neg medium format I do myself.

If its a course then there is next to no outlay for kit (provided I guess) and the experience of a tutor to help will clear up the colur filtration problems. There aren't many who can say they've done there own colour printing the wet way these days and I guess it's unlikely the same course will be running too much longer with the continueing digital onslaught (including scanning).

To sum up. If I were you I'd go for it and learn a lot. What you learn will help mammoth amounts in photoshop, digital colour balance and colour correction. Go for it! After all theres only three colours and one of those you don't touch (if you can help it).

Have fun 🙂
 
I learned to print in color on a 4 weekend class long time ago, and it was pretty unrewarding since most of the stuff had to be done either i total darkenss or under an extra dim green light.
However, what I learned from that class was to deal with color casts, which was extremely useful for my later adventures in Cibachrome.

I think that if you don;t stress too much about it and those 3 credits can be a sure A in you bag go for it!!!!

PS. learning to process C41 film maybe prove a very useful skill in the future 😉


kyle said:
I've set up my class schedule for next quarter. I'm taking a full load (16 units) of major and breadth requirements. However, there is a color photography class being offered that would fit my schedule. I'm wondering if color printing, etc. is something thats even worth learning. Basically, I just want to take a photo class next quarter, and that is the only one that will fit my schedule. My worries are: 1) adding a fifth class would put unnecessary pressure on me, and 2) color print photography is a dead end road; its future definitely seems more bleek than B&W. The upsides are: I get to take a photo class, and it probably wouldn't be much of a problem, as I shoot often anyways, and I'd get to learn a new craft, even if it doesn't have much of a future. I enjoy the B&W darkroom, and I know color printing is different (not sure of the process, though), so those that have done it, is it enjoyable or should I just pass and wait for another photo class to come along next year?
 
Forgot to mention that the darkroom bit can be very dull 😀 sorry could not resists it.

But, the total print processing time is a lot shorter than B&W by Nova heated slot method so not too much time in the dark. Using a Jobo CPE drum or auto printer the only darkness is the paper exposure, and thats seconds.
 
At my college we have a full color darkroom full of 4x5" enlargers, and a massive color print processing machine (ilford omnipro) that churns out test strips in five minutes flat. Getting access to the color darkroom is somewhat elite, and many of the students working in there are excellent artists with gallery showings and the whole bit.

When I found this out, I enrolled into a color class just for the hell of it, figuring there wouldn't be much time left to work this sort of craft. Here's what I've found:

What I was previously doing, scanning color negatives and then color balancing them in photoshop, is a ridiculous kludge compared to doing it the "old fashioned" way. Big C-prints are gorgeous, gorgeous things and are tremendously more fun to make than high-quality ink-jet prints. The paper is cheaper than b&w, too (though you go through it faster).

Within a few printing sessions, your eyes will be more sensitive and better than ever at detecting color casts in your images, which will help you out later on, even in an all-digital world.

Even with our ninja processor, the development process is sort of mind-numbing compared to b&w, due to the automation and disorienting total blackness on the other side of the wall. At my school, everybody pins their test strips up on a common board in the viewing area with their next adjustment clearly sharpied onto the photo paper, so that they can keep track of what they're doing. On day 1, the senior lab aid said something like,

"Working in the color darkroom will make you feel like you're stoned for hours. You'll get bored and start working on two enlargers, and after a few trips in and out of the darkroom, you'll start to forget what you're doing, the test strips will eventually cover the board, and your eyes will start to play tricks on you, you won't be able to tell cyan from green, and then suddenly we'll come in and shut the machine down because it's ten PM and you've been in there for eight hours, but it's only felt like two."

He really wasn't exaggerating, it's otherworldly. The B&W darkroom is like my second home, but the color darkroom is like purgatory for us digital color agnostics, or whatever.

Okay, all silliness aside, one other thing that people don't often think about is that color photography has close ties to contemporary fine art, in ways that b&w and digital imaging courses don't. Your color photography class is likely to introduce you to styles of art with which you were not previously familiar. If you're looking for a refreshing change of scenery, consider taking color, even if it's a dead end road.
 
Thanks for all of the input, I appreciate it. It sounds like it has its pros and cons. I'm leaning toward taking it, mainly because, barring a miracle, I am part of the last generation that will get to do this sort of thing. I've got the rest of my life to make digital inkjet prints...
 
If it's not part of your major and might add much to your workload, I wouldn't take it myself. But I'm a slacker. I wouldn't want to compromise my potential grades in other classes (or need a 'w' in the photo class).

Now, if you could take it at a local community college or somewhere that it doesn't really 'count' I'd definitely do it. (Unfortunately, my local CC killed the traditional color printing machines and replaced them with old Dells.)

That said, I enjoy doing c-prints. A glossy, 'handmade' Fuji c-print still looks better to my eyes than inkjet prints. I've got no problem spending time in the single-room DARK rooms we use, except they get hot as hell with 4x5 enlargers running and little ventilation.

My university has an automated machine as well, with 24-hour access for intermediate photo students and up. It's awesome.
 
Well, I get three weeks after the start of the quarter to drop the class without receiving a 'W'. Besides, this quarter will be relatively easy. Two of the general ed classes I'm taking are notorious for being "easy" A's, and the other two shouldn't be much of a problem. If its too much for me, or I'm not enjoying it, I can drop it.

The local community college isn't doing color classes anymore AFAIK.
 
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