Coolpix A

Yep.. and that's why I don't mind this - in a dark bar, or such, this will be fine - even at 3200 - now if only Nikon can somehow implement a "turn off the LCD" via firmware I'll be fine 😉

Cheers,
Dave
 
What most people don't know is while high-end DSLRs such as D7000 has the option of uncompressed RAW file, the same sensor in entry level DSLRs only have the compressed RAW as default, and its a lossy compression. This is Nikon's way of 'limiting' sensor performance based on product segmentation.

In the spec sheet for Coolpix A at Nikon website it does not mention, as it usually does in the case of most cameras, if the RAW output is compressed or not. In other words its worth finding out what is the size of an uncompressed RAW file from D7000 and Coolpix A.

If the RAW files are compressed by default in Coolpix A, then its sensor performance is on par with Nikon's discontinued D5100, not D7000.
 
I would think so FA. Most have complained about that price since it came out. Now that Ricoh priced the GR at the price that some people believe the A should have been priced at, I think we will see a drop... unless it is selling well with a demographic I'm not familiar with.
 
FA Limited said:
sooooooooo nikon, price adjustment time?
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As an FYI - I got mine for $1050 before taxes. Still $250 above the GR.

Is it justified?

"That depends" - I currently have Nikon gear so I have a seamless integration of my external flashes to the Coolpix A; to me, while it's not a deal breaker, that's a "plus".

Menu system - I already know the Nikon menu system - again, not a deal breaker but it makes it easier for me to navigate the menus.

External AF Assist lamp - this may actually be a "minus" depending on who you ask 🙂 - the Ricoh does not have one, the Nikon does (but it can be turned off).

Lens - looks like the Ricoh is superior to corners - I can't tell if the Nikon is superior in the centre - this will totally depend on what people are shooting - landscape and, I guess, some street shooters will want sharp corners; "people shooters" may not care as much - to me it doesn't matter.

$250 (plus taxes) is a good chunk of change but competition is good and we all know there is no "perfect" camera (although the Ricoh is pretty close to it based on specs and ergonomics). I am impressed with Nikon's high ISO (I've got some 6400 shots that look really really good) but it would appear that Ricoh SHOULD be able to match them since the sensor is very similar - I guess it's all down to the software at that point?

I'm sure Nikon will adjust its price accordingly - especially seeing as how I was able to purchase brand new at $1050 and the camera hasn't been out for any significant amount of time.

Cheers,
Dave
 
Not sure how long it will take Nikon to bring the price down.. I don't think that they will go down as low as 799, but I could be dead wrong. To me they have a tendency to keep the price a bit high and then offer these limited time discount offers... Like 200 off all lenses if u buy by xxxx date type of things.

Anyway.. I hope they do bring it down.. This will keep the competition interesting.. Especially since Sony may be up to something in this arena (I hope). 😀. Plus Canon has got to up their game.

Gary
 
GaryLH said:
Not sure how long it will take Nikon to bring the price down.. I don't think that they will go down as low as 799, but I could be dead wrong. To me they have a tendency to keep the price a bit high and then offer these limited time discount offers... Like 200 off all lenses if u buy by xxxx date type of things.

Anyway.. I hope they do bring it down.. This will keep the competition interesting.. Especially since Sony may be up to something in this arena (I hope). 😀. Plus Canon has got to up their game.

Gary
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So true Gary !!

Who would have thought that, at least for some of us, the excitement this year so far is in the P&S category 😀 😀 😀

Cheers,
Dave
 
External AF Assist lamp - this may actually be a "minus" depending on who you ask - the Ricoh does not have one, the Nikon does (but it can be turned off).
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The Ricoh does -- it's green though, not orange, if that makes a difference; it can also be disabled via the menu if desired. I found that it was crucial for getting focus in very dark environments though--the same as with the CP A.
 
jpfisher said:
The Ricoh does -- it's green though, not orange, if that makes a difference; it can also be disabled via the menu if desired. I found that it was crucial for getting focus in very dark environments though--the same as with the CP A.
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Ahh... thanks Jim - I saw that the Ricoh didn't have one via DPR or IR - can't remember which. It is, of course, possible that I am confusing the method of focusing between the two cameras as well.


Cheers,
Dave
 
as attractive as these cameras seem, i just can't generate enough enthusiasm to click the "buy" button on either of them. just one two years ago any new large sensor mirrorless camera was so exciting and now it's become kind of ordinary. and as small as these cameras are, i could never actually imagine putting them comfortably in my jeans pocket esp with keys, wallet, cellphone, there aren't enough pockets!
 
FA Limited said:
as attractive as these cameras seem, i just can't generate enough enthusiasm to click the "buy" button on either of them. just one two years ago any new large sensor mirrorless camera was so exciting and now it's become kind of ordinary. and as small as these cameras are, i could never actually imagine putting them comfortably in my jeans pocket esp with keys, wallet, cellphone, there aren't enough pockets!
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I can understand that, but in the winter (well depending on where you live of course) you have jacket pockets!
 
That's where I put mine most of the time.. in a jacket pocket vs a "pants" pocket. My concern with pants pockets is the "heat" the body generates . . . . . and I know I generate a lot of heat 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀

Cheers,
Dave
 
Weird. I opened up camerasize.com and compared the Coolpix A and Ricoh GR to the NEX 5N (my primary digital camera). They are all the same size. Actually the NEX is smaller in width and height than both of them.

Now I know what you're going to say: "but that's the Sony without a lens!"

Yes it is. But Sony just released the 20mm 2.8 pancake. With the lens extended on the Coolpix or Ricoh I'm not sure there would be much difference between the three with regard to depth.
 
Once it is extended for use, I really don't care how long it is myself. It is the powered off state I am more interested in...since for me, I want a pants pocket walk around everywhere camera.

The Nex pancake should be pretty small and for those who already have an Nex it maybe a good alternative, but I suspect it will bludge more (not sure if it will fit in the front jean pocket any longer) than either the Coolpix a or grd v.

Gary
 
Paddy C said:
Yes it is. But Sony just released the 20mm 2.8 pancake. With the lens extended on the Coolpix or Ricoh I'm not sure there would be much difference between the three with regard to depth.
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I can tell you that I would prefer the menus and ergonomics of the Nikon and Ricoh to the Sony. That said, the selling point of cameras like the GR and A is the lens retracting lend so you can put it in your pocket (yes, even pants pocket). If you don't value this, we will never be able to make you see the light when it comes to these cameras. That sony pancake seems nice though, but since it isn't pants pocketable, it's more of a Fuji X100 competitor.

Somehow I can't see the NEX-5 being smaller in width based on its grip (but after reviewing, it's closer than I thought).
 
jsrockit said:
I can tell you that I would prefer the menus and ergonomics of the Nikon and Ricoh to the Sony.
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No question. Although I have the NEX set up as well as I can it is still not great.

jsrockit said:
That said, the selling point of cameras like the GR and A is the lens retracting lend so you can put it in your pocket (yes, even pants pocket). If you don't value this, we will never be able to make you see the light when it comes to these cameras. That sony pancake seems nice though, but since it isn't pants pocketable, it's more of a Fuji X100 competitor.
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With the body cap on the NEX (which makes it exactly the same depth as the Coolpix and thus smaller overall) it is too big for a pants pocket (for me). Some shorts would be OK. Jacket of course fine. The Ricoh is a hair slimmer but not enough to make a difference.

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Somehow I can't see the NEX-5 being smaller in width based on its grip (but after reviewing, it's closer than I thought).
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Unless the numbers are wrong it is, without a lens, smaller than both in 2 of the 3 dimensions.

Now I'm not saying it's therefore stupid to by the Nikon or Ricoh. I think I will still get one or the other but it is interesting.

I don't think Sony ever got enough credit for the NEX engineering. The NEX also has a tiltable LCD and the ability to attach an EVF and great movie capability all in that package.
 
I have to admit Paddy, it's in the same size category the more I look at it. I'll jam that Ricoh in my pants pocket though... though it won't be something I want to do all the time.
 
jsrockit said:
I have to admit Paddy, it's in the same size category the more I look at it. I'll jam that Ricoh in my pants pocket though... though it won't be something I want to do all the time.
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There's something wonderful about a fixed lens camera IMO. That and the fact that the lens and sensor combo of either the Nikon or the Ricoh should out-do the NEX give me the wants.
 
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