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Pherdinand said:
Some of those shots are very good like bw alaskan and other landscapes, but dude,... that low contrast Bicycles shot...! 🙂 won't be my favorite wall decoration 😉

[just tellin' what i'd buy and what not, in a frame]
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LOL! I get it... But I just had to post that low contrast shot on the gallery.
 
Paddy C said:
This is a job and you have to approach it like one if you are serious.
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Actually, I think this statement is the crux of all this. Question #1: how serious are you about this? On a scale of 1-10, where 10 is "... as a heart attack," then I'd be a 1-2, or at most 3. If I were significantly more serious about it, then I'd apply everything I learned from business school to this effort.
 
KM-25 said:
And this is it in a nutshell really...no one is going to make a dime on this site because it is not properly curated or reviewed.

In order for a collective like this to work, *ALL* the artwork has to be top notch...it is competing with decent to good work that amateur camera owners have spewed out onto the internet for years now that is free....Freetography folks...."I Heart Sharing photos because I get nice comments" equals free!

By the way, this...?....would not even be put on a wall if free....

http://crated.com/art/2808/leica-m6-by-facesofecuador

http://crated.com/art/97108/on-arrival-at-kahului-by-leonin

http://crated.com/art/2448/cappucino-muffin-by-backalleyimages




Yep, that is reality. I am starting to really pull in nice monthly figures off of my black and white work and I don't even have a public website instead preferring to keep it out of the eyes of amateur camera owners and just deal with interior decorators, high end hotel and resort chains and galleries directly. I expect to be able to stop doing commercial work in about 5 years. But what you, I or other folks say on here simply does not matter to some...they refuse to accept reality.

I gotta log out...the amount that people tend to BS each other with on this topic or any topic of earning money in photography just gets me too wound up...
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photomoof said:
Earning money is always tricky to discuss -- especially when it comes to selling art. People invest so much of their ego.

I am what is commonly referred to as a "failed" artist. A couple of National Endowments a couple of 57th street galleries and not much to show for it. 😀

What this all has to do with amateurs showing work on Crated.com is beyond me -- my advice have fun.
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fun?
yeah!!!
 
back alley said:
i'm surprised at the blood pressure levels elevating here about some non pros trying to earn a few bucks...
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I don't sense any elevated blood pressure.

You began this topic with:

nothing…nothing has happened, no sales, no enquiries…no success whatsoever…
not sure if it's the prices or if my images are just bad…?
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Not: "Hey I threw some images up on crated. Let's see if anyone buys."

I've only tried to provide my two cents on why. I'm not a pro.

There's a large market with many established communities and stock sellers for graphic designers (that's me) who wish to create resources to sell to other graphic designers. I've followed this market for a good eight years now, occasionally doing research, calculations, etc. to figure out if it is a viable way for me to earn some extra, recurring income. I haven't jumped in because all my research tells me it requires a substantial time commitment and that, at the end of the day, spending my time developing new clients and client projects is actually a more profitable use of my time.

I mention the above because it's something I've devoted serious thought to and isn't any different than the photography market version.

Ming Thein recently wrote a post about his frustration with trying to find an art dealer for his photography. To be frank, I was flabbergasted at his ignorance of the art market. For such a smart guy with a business background he came across like a child who wasn't getting his way. I could have told him before he went door-to-door that no one would be interested in his work.

We all have an interest in our own creative work. And so we should. It is interesting to us because we produced it. But that does not make it necessarily interesting to someone else. And especially when it comes to forking over some cash.
 
Paddy C said:
I don't sense any elevated blood pressure.

You began this topic with:



Not: "Hey I threw some images up on crated. Let's see if anyone buys."

I've only tried to provide my two cents on why. I'm not a pro.

There's a large market with many established communities and stock sellers for graphic designers (that's me) who wish to create resources to sell to other graphic designers. I've followed this market for a good eight years now, occasionally doing research, calculations, etc. to figure out if it is a viable way for me to earn some extra, recurring income. I haven't jumped in because all my research tells me it requires a substantial time commitment and that, at the end of the day, spending my time developing new clients and client projects is actually a more profitable use of my time.

I mention the above because it's something I've devoted serious thought to and isn't any different than the photography market version.

Ming Thein recently wrote a post about his frustration with trying to find an art dealer for his photography. To be frank, I was flabbergasted at his ignorance of the art market. For such a smart guy with a business background he came across like a child who wasn't getting his way. I could have told him before he went door-to-door that no one would be interested in his work.

We all have an interest in our own creative work. And so we should. It is interesting to us because we produced it. But that does not make it necessarily interesting to someone else. And especially when it comes to forking over some cash.
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was not talking about your blood pressure...
 
Like I writed in Roger Hicks' "Arles 2014" thread, on last July in Arles I was about to buy a lovery cyanotype produced by a student of the EFET. Unique print, signed and the like. Very lovely picture actually and quite enhanced by the cyanotype technique.

The price ? €238.00.

Eventually I went away without it.

But - like the Kansas City shot I mentioned already, this had awaked the buying bug in me.

What I see on crated.com doesn't.
 
My wife is the director of a university art gallery that has a rigorously contemporary program. So she runs into this often.

People have so much trouble understanding the difference between the capital "A" Art World, the commercial art world and the hobby art world. It really confounds people.

BTW: I have four Cheim & Read catalogues sitting beside my desk for filling. They make (made?) lavish publications.

photomoof said:
"Questioning the ‘art’ market"
http://blog.mingthein.com/2014/08/08/questioning-the-art-market/

He appears to be mystified why someone who "graduated from Oxford at 16 – and subsequently left a senior corporate career in M&A/ private equity (and more recently, as a senior exec director of McDonalds)" just does not have a chance of ever showing at a gallery like Cheim & Read. http://www.cheimread.com/

It just makes no sense to him. Surely his work is better than someone like William Eggleston? Or certainly better than Jack Pierson? Those artists are just making work to "be something that’s made because it is easy to sell to a rube."
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back alley said:
hobby art...i sorta like the sound of that!
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Problem is, when you're randomly doing something as a free hobby and have no other ambition, you're often too lazy towards yourself, and you rather may be seen more as a dilettante than as an Amateur (with a big A).

The border between amateur work and amateurish one is a very, very narrow line.

Even as an amateur, you have to question yourself all the time, enlight your own vision 24/24 by looking at what great photogs did/do produce, and do your best not to be lazy (never ever) when it comes to your photographic vision and what you want to show from yourself through your work. This is where you can write it with a big A.

At the end of the day, people looking at your photos must get what you are telling them. If they can't, it doesn't work out.
 
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